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MelbRef Tue Oct 11, 2011 09:07pm

Handoff = OOB ?
 
On the inbound, player A1 hands the ball to teammate A2 instead of throwing the ball.

OOB?

Adam Tue Oct 11, 2011 09:14pm

No, it's a throw-in violation.

BBUMP99 Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:25pm

I'd have a violation. The book states that "The ball shall be PASSED by the thrower..." (NFHS 9-2-2).

Definition of pass: "...movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats, or rolls the ball to another player."

Since a handoff is not, by rule, a pass, the provisions of a legal throw-in have not been met.

My .02

APG Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:32pm

It's most definitely a throw-in violation.

JRutledge Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:29pm

It is a throw-in violation, but the result is the same. You are going to put the ball where the violation took place.

Peace

JugglingReferee Wed Oct 12, 2011 03:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelbRef (Post 792881)
On the inbound, player A1 hands the ball to teammate A2 instead of throwing the ball.

OOB?

This is a violation if A1 is out of bounds and A2 is in-bounds. If A2 is also out of bounds, this hand-off is legal only after a made or awarded basket.

BillyMac Wed Oct 12, 2011 06:18am

Twists And Turns ???
 
How about a handoff from inbounder A1, who's hands are on the inbounds side of the boundary line, to defensive player B1, in other words, B1 just grabs the ball out of A1's hands?

billyu2 Wed Oct 12, 2011 07:01am

Thou shalt not steal?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 792947)
How about a handoff from inbounder A1, who's hands are on the inbounds side of the boundary line, to defensive player B1, in other words, B1 just grabs the ball out of A1's hands?

That would be legal robbery.

Raymond Wed Oct 12, 2011 07:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBUMP99 (Post 792893)
I'd have a violation. The book states that "The ball shall be PASSED by the thrower..." (NFHS 9-2-2).

Definition of pass: "...movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats, or rolls the ball to another player."

Since a handoff is not, by rule, a pass the provisions of a legal throw-in have not been met.

My .02

What if A1 just drops the ball inbounds on the court? :D

BBUMP99 Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 792959)
What if A1 just drops the ball inbounds on the court? :D

That would be 100% legal, provided that the floor becomes designated as "another player." If such designation does not take place, I'd have a violation.

:D:rolleyes:

bainsey Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 792947)
How about a handoff from inbounder A1, who's hands are on the inbounds side of the boundary line, to defensive player B1, in other words, B1 just grabs the ball out of A1's hands?

Inbounds side: Legal
OOB side: Technical foul against defender.
Starts inbounds and continues OOB, two sets of hands on ball: Held ball. (Bonus point, does the arrow switch if it's an APTI)?

Adam Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBUMP99 (Post 793005)
That would be 100% legal, provided that the floor becomes designated as "another player." If such designation does not take place, I'd have a violation.

:D:rolleyes:

For what? Consider the "drop" to be a pass.

APG Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 793027)
For what? Consider the "drop" to be a pass.

I took his post to be sarcastic...

Adam Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 793032)
I took his post to be sarcastic...

Perhaps I wasn't as charitable as usual. Channeling again.

chseagle Wed Oct 12, 2011 02:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 792959)
What if A1 just drops the ball inbounds on the court? :D

Does the inbounding player touch the ball first after it touches the court inbounds?


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