team control foul

[timeout]

Having a little brain fart.
I know a player control foul is a non-shooting foul. (in the bonus)
Is a team control foul a shooting foul? (in the bonus)
Thanks

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by timeout

Having a little brain fart.
I know a player control foul is a non-shooting foul. (in the bonus)
Is a team control foul a shooting foul? (in the bonus)
Thanks

You do not shoot FTs for either type of foul.

Peace

[timeout]

thank you

[bainsey]

Think of it this way: When you have player control, you also always have team control. There are never free throws for a team control foul.

[tref]

To simplify it even more, if the offense fouls there are no FTs involved. And now thats true if the status of the ball is in or out of bounds.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by tref

To simplify it even more, if the offense fouls there are no FTs involved. And now thats true if the status of the ball is in or out of bounds.

I would not encourage anyone to think of it this way. Think only in terms of team control and player control. If the "offense" commits a foul while trying to get an offensive rebound (and the bonus is in effect), do we award free throws?

[tref]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

If the "offense" commits a foul while trying to get an offensive rebound (and the bonus is in effect), do we award free throws?

Has team control been re-established yet?

I understand what you're saying, its seems many of us get hung up on t/c & p/c in regards to awarding FTs. Was just looking for an easier way to help us remember. I guess there's no substitute for knowing our definitions

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by tref

To simplify it even more, if the offense fouls there are no FTs involved.

What about intentional personals, flagrant personals and technicals?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

What about intentional personals, flagrant personals and technicals?

I thought those were a given, see above (last sentence).

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by tref

To simplify it even more, if the offense fouls there are no FTs involved. And now thats true if the status of the ball is in or out of bounds.

I know that you responded to Mark Padgett's post, but that still does not solve your problem because in NFHS and NCAA rules, no where will you find an mentiona of an "offensive foul". The reason being is that there is no such animal in NFHS and NCAA rules. The NBA-WNBA ruleset is a different animal. Therefore, use correct terminology.

MTD, Sr.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I know that you responded to Mark Padgett's post, but that still does not solve your problem because in NFHS and NCAA rules, no where will you find an mentiona of an "offensive foul".

While this is true, IMHO it's really just a matter of semantics (unlike an "over the back" foul, which actually communicates false information). We could remove the definitions of "player control foul" and "team control foul" and add a definition for "offensive foul", which would include:

1) player control fouls;
2) team control fouls; and
3) common fouls committed by the throw-in team during the period between the start of the throw-in and either team gaining control.

If we did that, NOTHING in the game would change. I am usually ready to agree with anyone who wants to promote proper verbiage in officiating. In this case, I think, the proper verbiage says the same thing as the "slang".

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

We could remove the definitions of "player control foul" and "team control foul" and add a definition for "offensive foul"....

The flaw here, as BayState pointed out, is that too many people think of a rebounding foul (while there's no team control) by the offensive team as an offensive foul. They'd have a valid point, too, as that team on that end of the floor is still considered to be on offense.

Player/team control determine more rules than just fouls. The more fans that knew about player/team control, the better we'd all be. Stick with control.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I know that you responded to Mark Padgett's post, but that still does not solve your problem because in NFHS and NCAA rules, no where will you find an mentiona of an "offensive foul".

Well actually, what I really said was:

Originally Posted by tref

...if the offense fouls there are no FTs involved if there is team control.

Thats not the same as stating that an offensive foul is a type of foul in HS/NCAA

BTW, why do I hear officials say "offense" when they punch a p/c or t/c up North?

*My edit in red makes the statement true & would be easier for newer officials to remember.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

The flaw here, as BayState pointed out, is that too many people think of a rebounding foul (while there's no team control) by the offensive team as an offensive foul. They'd have a valid point, too, as that team on that end of the floor is still considered to be on offense.

Player/team control determine more rules than just fouls. The more fans that knew about player/team control, the better we'd all be. Stick with control.

I think most people actually think of rebounding fouls as loose ball fouls...just like in the NBA, and expect free throws regardless of whom gets fouled.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bainsey

The flaw here, as BayState pointed out, is that too many people think of a rebounding foul (while there's no team control) by the offensive team as an offensive foul.

I don't mean to come across as merely contradictory, but I just disagree. I think APG's comment below is actually closer to the truth:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I think most people actually think of rebounding fouls as loose ball fouls...just like in the NBA, and expect free throws regardless of whom gets fouled.