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boro_ref Fri Sep 16, 2011 09:03am

Basketball's toughest calls - anyone read it?
 
Anyone read this book? Review?

Amazon.com: Basketball's Toughest Calls: Block/Charge, Traveling, Contact/Displacement (9781582081335): Todd Korth, Ross Bray: Books

JugglingReferee Fri Sep 16, 2011 09:21am

Never heard of it.

It likely doesn't have too much to offer to a veteran official.

IMHO, the toughest violation to call is travelling, and the toughest foul to call is the B/C.

stir22 Fri Sep 16, 2011 09:53am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 788002)
Never heard of it.

It likely doesn't have too much to offer to a veteran official.

IMHO, the toughest violation to call is travelling, and the toughest foul to call is the B/C.


It's not that I disagree, but was wondering if you would expound on your thoughts about travelling. Thanks!

Mark Padgett Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:27am

The toughest call is to not toss a coach. :D

Seriously, I agree the toughest foul to call is the B/C. No question.

Camron Rust Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:38am

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Originally Posted by stir22 (Post 788008)
It's not that I disagree, but was wondering if you would expound on your thoughts about travelling. Thanks!

If you think about the violations that can be called, traveling stands alone in the complexity of the criteria used to call it.

The occurrence of the following are all easy to determine....
  • OOB
  • Any count
  • thrower stepped inbounds
  • FT didn't hit the rim
  • player in the lane before the ball hit
  • double (illegal) dribble
  • kick
  • backcourt
  • GT/BI

These are easy to determine due to their black/white nature or their rather uncomplicated combination of factors to consider when it may occur. Of course, the backcourt rule is complicated but it is easy to call once you understand the rule.

Traveling, on the other hand, requires several elements to all align to call correctly....holding the ball relative to the release on a dribble/pass or the catch from dribble/pass relative to the foot movement (some of which is legal and some isn't).

tref Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:50am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 788014)
If think about the violations that can be called, traveling stands alone in the complexity of the criteria used to call it.

True, but we can make it easy on ourselves by stopping the guessing. For me, if I dont have a clean look at the feet + ball status, then it didnt happen. I'd rather miss one that happened than call one that didn't.

Camron Rust Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:34am

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 788015)
True, but we can make it easy on ourselves by stopping the guessing. For me, if I dont have a clean look at the feet + ball status, then it didnt happen. I'd rather miss one that happened than call one that didn't.

That just proves the point. Just because you can't seen it clearly enough to see whether it happened or not doesn't mean that it didn't happen. It just means you didn't see it.

For all of the others, they're usually very easy to see and to judge.

wyo96 Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:48am

Good Read
 
Three of us hear bought it last year and really liked it.

Officials at all three levels and M & W give their perspective on those three calls.

It was easy to read in short sessions and provoked good thought and some discussion when we got together.

I would recommend it to veterans and rookies.

Adam Fri Sep 16, 2011 09:23pm

Toughest call us to my wife after an early game that went OT.

BktBallRef Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:02pm

My toughest call is calling me wife and telling her I'm stopping off at Hooters! http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...es/2thumbs.gif

JugglingReferee Sat Sep 17, 2011 04:47am

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Originally Posted by stir22 (Post 788008)
It's not that I disagree, but was wondering if you would expound on your thoughts about travelling. Thanks!

Sorry I couldn't say more when I originally posted, but I had two Varsity football games to prepare for.

Camron's points are right on the money.

JRutledge Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:09am

I have never bought that a block/charge is that hard of a call. It usually calls itself if you referee the defense. I think it is one of the easier calls on many levels. I also think traveling is one of the tougher calls because players are often very fast and can do things that are hard to call in a split second, which is why this is often incorrectly called either way.

Peace

APG Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:57am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 788129)
I have never bought that a block/charge is that hard of a call. It usually calls itself if you referee the defense. I think it is one of the easier calls on many levels. I also think traveling is one of the tougher calls because players are often very fast and can do things that are hard to call in a split second, which is why this is often incorrectly called either way.

Peace

This...if we're refereeing the defense, this the block/charge call isn't too hard. And I totally agree with traveling...the higher the level, the faster players are able to do things and the harder it can be to determine the pivot foot.

BillyMac Sat Sep 17, 2011 02:22pm

Oh, I'm A Travelin' Man, Yes, I'm A Travelin' Man ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 788129)
I also think traveling is one of the tougher calls because players are often very fast and can do things that are hard to call in a split second, which is why this is often incorrectly called either way.

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 788135)
And I totally agree with traveling, the higher the level, the faster players are able to do things and the harder it can be to determine the pivot foot.

Agree. Traveling is the toughest call in basketball.

BktBallRef Sat Sep 17, 2011 06:48pm

I just don't find block/charge or traveling to be difficult calls to make.

For fouls, you get position, you referee the defense, you determine advantage/disadvantage, you make the call. Not everyone may agree but that's the breaks.

For violations, you stay wide enough to see the play, you know what the ball handler is allowed to do (has he dribbled?, pivot foot, etc.) and you know what violates and what doesn't.

Determining who a ball went OOB off of can be the most difficult call in the game.


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