What the hay! Let's keep up with the stupid comments Packer makes during the Duke/Kansas game. Here's the first one.

#1 - "Good recovery there. I thought we'd have steps." Made as a Kansas player was running and trying to gain control of a pass.

#2 - "Everytime, the referees have been consistent on that play." Speaking of the three PC fouls called in the first half. I guess as long as they call the same thing "everytime" it doesn't matter whether they're right or not, as far as Billy is concerned.

#3 - "I don't agree with that call." Shot was stuffed and called a held ball.

I don't think I can stand anymore. Is the Pitt game still on? :(

Pitt game is on out here.
 

But I am in the Midwest. :D

I guess "Thank God" is probably a little much?

Peace

I can see'em all. ;)

4- "Uh-oh! That ball was in the cylinder!" Ball comes off the rim and is toucjed by both teams. Even replay showed it was off the rim.

Good grief. :(

5- "If he had just not swat it over the basket," after a Duke player swat a shot that had hit glass and was on it's downward flight. An obvious case of GT, not BI.

What an idiot!

I'm done! :)

I can never understand how this guy became so famous or judged as being knowledgeable about the game.

As soon as I heard this last night, I immediately knew there would be "new thread" about Packer's comments. If there is anyone with a bigger ego in college basketball, I don't know who it is.

Does anyone have an email address for cbs sports? I want to beseige them with messages criticizing Packer and Raftery. They make it unpleasant for me to listen to a game. I will also add that they need to give their announcers rules training.
I think I will set up my machine so it will send a message every hour on the hour for a week.

Texas-UConn game. Kareem Abdul Jabbar said that a ball that lodged between the rim and the backboard had last been touched by Texas, as if that should give the ball to UConn. When they came back after a commercial, someone else ( Verne Lundquist I think) clarified the correct ruling: possession arrow to Texas.

When talking about Billy Packer......
 

.....isn't the phrase "stupid comment" redundant?

What??? Raftery rules!!! While every announcer may miss a ruling every now and then, at least Raftery has kept up with the rules for the most part since he stopped coaching, unlike Packer.

And what's not to like about somebody taking it "to the tin" to "SEND IT IN BIG FELLA!!!" With the kiss!!!

And I'm sorry, but "...and Verne Lundquist, team X starts out....MAN2MAN!!!" is worth watching the whole game. It's even better when Syracuse has to start the game on defense, because then "Jim Boeheim's Orangemen start out...*pause*...
in a 2-3 zone...*pause*...with MAN2MAN principles!!!"

While Packer's just a tool on a soapbox, Raftery IMHO supplies honest, fun, and real color commentary to each game.

So in closing, lay off my boy Bill Raftery with the nickel-dimers!!!!!

New game, same stupidity.

"I can believe the referees aren't getting that net down." Ah, Billy, the ball/towel boy got the net down.

Good grief

This isn't an exact quote, but he just said something like,
"I'm not for reseeding. I'm for matching the highest ranked team remaining against the lowest." during a discussion about should the Final Four be reseeded in the Kansas/Arizona game.

I think it was Matt Gukas that made that comment and he said, "They should have had a different call there."

At least Papa Walton wasn't doing any Arizona games this year.

Yep..amen to that...he could describe most of his career in his favorite word....HOOOOORRRRRRRRIBLLLLLLLEEE

I was of the impression that he had an exceptionally fine, though shortened, career. :confused:

I believe that we are talking about his broadcasting career. He could play ball, just don't let him talk about it, particuraly when his boy, the greatest college player since Lew Alcinder on the greatest team since the '71 Bruins, is playing. Jim

Oh, okay.
 

Oh, okay, Jim. I guess I didn't consider announcing as being Walton's career.
But talk about a drowning in a career, I hope Kareem loosens his tie, or something pretty soon. The man looks really uncomfortable while he's treading water.
mick

He'll be coaching soon, mick.

Kareem coached a CBL team here in Oklahoma City last year. As far as I know, he is still the coach.

Brian, that Oklahoma team is actually in the USBL. Kareem no longer coaches them. The new head coach is Todd Chambers. As a side note, John Starks is the coach of the league's new team in Westchester, NY.

When Billy Packer is doing basketball, go up to the TV turn down the volume and find a good radio station.

This guy turns my stomach. Why does CBS put up with a A-hole like him?

Thanks for playing the "Useless Information Game," Chcuk! :D

It was stated during the broadcast that Kareem had just interviewed for the Columbia coaching job.

What I don't understand is why the coaches put up with him. He says at least as many stupid coaching things, as reffing things. If the public listens to him coach the way they listen to him ref, it's gotta hurt a little. Hey, Hawks Coach, or PA coach, or theboys, what do you think?

Yeah but remember he had a fine coaching career, errrr, no he didn't.

The coaches don't select the broadcasters.

The only way I can relate to this is: one of our local TV sports guys busted on our school the year before I got there. Made some backhanded comment about how they always lose at everything. (Meanwhile this year, all of the varsity sports have had winning records, and if girls' soccer doesn't screw it up, we'll make it to the end of the year that way.) Anyway, our AD and some of the other coaches have never forgotten the comment, four years later.

This same station came to do a piece on us in January, since we were having our best season ever. But I wasn't going to turn down the piece because I don't like one of their announcers!

Maybe I'm just missing your question.

You refs are actually lucky. For the most part, you only hear the carping during games. We get to listen to unsolicited advice before and after games (especially after games!), at practice, while we're sitting in the stands watching other games, late night phone calls, and if we're good enough to make the big time, from media "experts". And, then there are the parents!

I'm not a howler monkey! I'm a whiner monkey!

I would like to see his play book:

Play 1: Guard takes the ball down to the right side elbow and backs his way in to the low post

Play 2: Guard takes the ball down to the left side elbow and backs his way in to the low post

Play 3: Pass the ball to the Guard on the right side elbow, he backs his way in to the low post

Play 4: Pass the ball to the Guard on the left side elbow, he backs his way in to the low post

Fast break variation 1: Guard runs ahead of the break & sets up at the right side elbow. Pass the ball to the Guard, he backs his way in to the low post

Fast break variation 2: Guard runs ahead of the break & sets up at the left side elbow. Pass the ball to the Guard, he backs his way in to the low post


blah, blah, blah

Snif, snif. . . Do I smell some sour grapes? ;)

No, why?

Actually, refs DO get unsolicited advice before and after games, in the stands, and the occasional late night phone call. Although you're right about not during practice -- unless you count camp.

But I just thought that coaches might have more clout in influencing the kinds of idiocy Packer commits on the air. Perhaps I'm wrong about that.

Also, I see that coaches are in some ways in a tougher spot from refs. We do have some camaraderie and support for each other, where coaches really are somewhat more isolated socially from each other. And I suppose you are more exposed to the carping of the parents than we are. Good heavens, am I gonna end up feeling SORRY for a coach? MAJOR PARADIGM SHIFT!!!

Sorry I don't know who said it, but here is what the guy said after the foul call; " the foul must have happened before the whistle".

I agree. It puzzles me how anybody could coach at the college level and seem to have so little clue about rules, and also seem to say the most ridiculous things about game strategy. It seems to me tha the is so separated from his former role that he thrives on criticizing, without engaging his brain (assuming there is something there to engage).

I would like to see his play book:

Play 1: Guard takes the ball down to the right side elbow and backs his way in to the low post

Play 2: Guard takes the ball down to the left side elbow and backs his way in to the low post

Play 3: Pass the ball to the Guard on the right side elbow, he backs his way in to the low post

Play 4: Pass the ball to the Guard on the left side elbow, he backs his way in to the low post

Fast break variation 1: Guard runs ahead of the break & sets up at the right side elbow. Pass the ball to the Guard, he backs his way in to the low post

Fast break variation 2: Guard runs ahead of the break & sets up at the left side elbow. Pass the ball to the Guard, he backs his way in to the low post


blah, blah, blah
[/QUOTE]

You left out the part about missing wide open 12 foot jump shots.

We, refs and coaches at all levels, are not the audience Packer is speaking too. It is the great unwashed horde that has no more knowledge of the game than what they get from driveway ball that is his target. They all know that that reach was a foul, that they over-the-back was missed, and that why in the heck is 3 seconds not being call. Packer just feeds them what they want to hear.

You left out the part about missing wide open 12 foot jump shots.


[/QUOTE]

LOL! Another John Starks fan I see!

Of course, you are exactly right. It's the same network structure that runs such inane garbage as "Survivor" and "The Millioniare". Gag!

Near the 16:00 mark of the 1st half in KU/Marquette Wade grabs the rim as a teammate taps the ball towards the basket. Wade releases the rim and then the ball goes in. Packer says the officials could have called that. Could he please read the BI rule? Oh, maybe he wanted them to call a T!
May I also add Jim Nance for his constant call of over-the-back.

Not to mention this one:
KU player shooting free throw... Marq. player appears to enter lane too soon.. ball goes in..
Nance says, calling attention to the violation " I can't believe that the refs didn't say something about that".

i liked this one best: Aaron Miles all alone with the first possession of the game, shoots the three, Packer says, "He really shouldn't try that.." SWISH!! I laughed out loud, Miles being a personal fave of mine.

looks like midnight has struck for Marquette
 

...37 point lead for Kansas and counting...now the only thing interesting is Nance and Packer idiocy...

Re: looks like midnight has struck for Marquette
 

Yeah, there was a "travel not called," according to Packard.

Peace

9:00 left in 2nd half: Miles inbounding for KU moves his feet, but clearly remains on the throw-in spot. Packer, "There was a walk violation against Miles, not called."

They just said that Mich St in 1979 was the last team to score 100 pts in a Final Four. Didn't UNLV beat Duke 103-73 in the 1990 title game? Where do these guys get their information?

This might be semantics.....
 

but don't they consider the Final Four just the two semifinals games and the National Championship is considered a different category? I have heard statistics given like that before. It does not make complete since, but that has been used like that before.

Peace

Rut,
I thought about that, but then realized this would be giving these idiots too much credit. I think it is doubtful that they were following your line of thinking.

It's a good thing the tournament ends tonight....

This post could get really loooooong.....

I agree with you halfway. It is painful to listen to Nantz and Packer. However, I do not see how you feel that way about Raftery... maybe it's me and my Jersey/New York/Big East bias... but I don't think so...

On this one, I can't say that he was wrong. It really wasn't clear, even in slow motion replay, that he let go of the rim before the ball touched the rim. Packer, who is so often wrong, may have been right here...at least really close.

EXACTLY. I couldn't have said it better. Which is why I am continuing my three year boycott of CBS TV and turning on the radio to listen to Coach Thompson and the Governor... ONIONS!!!

Actually, I was hoping that ABC/ESPN would have let Walton do some games... you can hear him now... "throw it down son, ONE TIME... C'mon!!!" lol... "why doesn't Lute take a timeout here... doesn't Arizona want to win this gammmmmmmmme?"

Comedy

Another stupid remark by packer related to the flickering of the replay big screen bothering the FT shooter. Only way it would do that is if the FT shooter was shooting by looking at a TV that was showing an image of the screen. The only time you get that flickering is (basically) when you are looking at a TV picture of a TV picture...not viewing it directly. Packer obviously was commenting on it from what it appeared like on his monitor without really seeing it.

From my view - the rim was released before the ball was in the basket.

Besides, I'm pretty sure Packer pointed this out while the ball was still in the cylinder.

What an idiot! A 'Cuse player rebounded the ball and laid it in, but Duany tapped the ball after it was released by his teammate but while it was in the cylinder. Obvious offensive BI.

Great call on the charge on Miles! Packer has no clue what a guarded position is.

Good call on the intentional foul as well. THings are getting a little rough and Anthony is getting a little mouthy.

I concur. I just did not think at first that is what was being called. Great call!!!

Peace

Pretty much a bang-bang play....looks like the defender got there JUST in time. Another millisecond and it's block all the way, I think.

Still a bonehead comment by Packer, especially with instant replay slo-mo.

And as I said in the other post, GREAT CENTER CALL.

Great call on the intentional. No hesitation whatsoever.

I hope Kansas comes back, we need a barnburner finish.

"That should NOT have been an intentional foul b/c he was going for the ball!" :rolleyes:

Tony, you beat me to the offensive BI comment

Chuck

Yeah, then he grabs his arms and pulls him to the ground. Gimme a break, Billy.

Kansas cuts it to 4! "Better get a TO baby!!"

I can't believe what he said after the PC - a great call - but this took the cake. And we wonder why rough play is a poe year after year after year...it's because of boneheads like Packer who say things like "but he was going for the baaaallll..whine whine whimper whimper". BTW, this was signalled intentional immediately but the 2 dopes who own the microphone had no idea what was happening when the lane was cleared for FTs "Hey Billy, did they change the call to flagrant?"

My Gawd. :rolleyes:

Yep. They didn't have a clue until they cleared the lane.

I'm wondering if Syracuse has survived the run.

Up 9 now...

WHAT!!!!
 

"If the ball goes in, it would have been Goaltending."

Peace

"If that ball had gone in Jim, it would have been goaltending."

What an idiot!!! :D

3 try bounces high and Graves attempts to tap it in, and it did look like it could have been BI. But BillyBob announces that if it had gone in it would have been GT!

Sad day. :(

I'm guessin' 1.5 seconds left.

Well, it's over. Congrats Syracuse. Who woulda thunk it. 3 weeks ago?

Great game. OK, back to CNN...

Paint the NCAA Orange (at least for this year).
 

All I have to say is WOW!!!! Congrats to a great coach and a great program.

Peace

This one topped them all for me. It was a real "I can't believe he said that." Almost like listening to some of the local radio people around here trying to call a high school game.

I couldn't even get on line for the last half-hour -- ISP busy signal!!

I gotta admit Packer really outdid himself tonight, but you all missed my two favorites tonight which were both comments on the play, not the officials.

Around two minutes left in the first half, "These [Kansas] players don't understand, but they should be going for the steal. They don't realize their position."

Around two minutes left in the second half, "I don't know why they [Syracuse] aren't getting the ball into McNamara's hands. They don't realize what they need to do." Although McNamara hadn't hit anything at all in the second half. Nothing. But his hands....

I really hate to take this position........
 

but I think this comment was because McNamara was the best FT shooter in the Big East. I think he averages over 95% on the line and Packard's point was that if he had the ball, he would be almost automatic. And the fact that Carmelo Anthoney was also hurting and bringing up the ball. And Anthoney did miss a FT which gave Kansas a chance to tie at the end of the game. McNamara might have made both FTs and sealed the game earlier. But it was like Packard was saying this like Coach Biehiam (sp?) did not coach them to do it that way. They came out of a timeout and had that stradegy.

Peace

I totally disagree with Packer here. Kansas is not a deep team and it is still the first half. Why give an unnecessary foul that could hurt one of your key players later? So what that it is not 1-and-1 now. That personal foul on a key player could really be a problem later. Packer didn't even consider this.

He kept repeating that same thought all the way to the end of the half. And he was still saying it when Syracuse had the ball with 10 seconds on the shot clock and 30 seconds on the game clock.

But if you foul at that point, Syracuse gets the last shot of the half. While, if you play really good defense for 10 seconds, you may force a bad shot and get your own good look at the buzzer. I thought he was just being stupid.

After yelling at the TV about 5 times in the first half, my wife calmly asked me, "Why do they let him announce the game if he doesn't know any of the rules?"

Chuck

You know, I've been wondering about this for a long time. What are Billy Packer's qualifications for being a big-time announcer. Here's his bio from cbs.sportsline.com.

BILLY PACKER
(CBS Sports Broadcaster)
In 22nd season as lead analyst for CBS Sports' college basketball coverage and covering 29th consecutive Final Four. He won Sports Emmy Award for Outstanding Sports Personality/Analyst (1993). Packer grew up as son of coach at Lehigh University.

In 1958 was Pennsylvania All-State basketball selection and went on to attend Wake Forest University, where he was All-ACC guard (1960-62). He led team to three ACC regular-season titles and Final Four in 1962. Packer returned to Wake Forest in 1965 as assistant coach for Bones McKinney and Jack McCloskey.

He began broadcasting career in 1972 covering ACC games. Packer currently calls ACC games for Jefferson Pilot Sports. He joined NBC Sports in 1974 for opening round of NCAA Tournament and teamed with Curt Gowdy in 1975 for entire tournament. Packer worked with Dick Enberg following year on regular-season games as well as NCAA Tournament.

Al McGuire joined pair in 1978, becoming one of most popular broadcasting trios ever. He has written several books, including Hoops, College Basketball's 25 Greatest Teams, History of the Final Four and Why We Win. He was inducted into North Carolina Sports Hall of Fame, Wake Forest University Hall of Fame, National Basketball Hall of Fame (Gowdy winner) and National Polish Hall of Fame. He also received North Carolina Sportscaster of the Year Award.

Packer graduated with economics degree from Wake Forest University in 1962. He is the co-founder of Tour DuPont and Tour of China. Billy Packer was born Feb. 25, 1940 in Wellsville, N.Y. He lives in Charlotte, N.C. with wife, Barbara and three children.


So....if I get inducted into the Polish Hall of Fame, does that make me qualified to do his job? He's NEVER EVER been a head coach!!!

What does everybody think of this idea. Packer refs a junior high/junior varsity game and brings the CBS cameras along. Then he critiques himself after its done and the do a little thing about it sometime during the College season next year. Any chance he'll do it???

I swear, I actually fell off the chair when he said "that would have been goaltending if it had gone in". Dumbest comment I've ever heard an announcer say.

List of Packer's quotes throughout the Final Four
 

Please sign my CBS, drop Billy Packer Petition
 

If some of you are angered by Billy Packer's constant negativity on CBS' Basketball coverage, would you please consider signing my petition to have him removed. Also, please forward this link to anyone you know who suffers because of him.
Thanks for your help.

http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/Billy_Packer/

Re: Please sign my CBS, drop Billy Packer Petition
 

Did it.

Unfortunately, the petition has the right goal, but is not really written the right way.

It harps on Packer being "negative", and how we need a more "positive" commentator.

Commentators are not there to be cheerleaders for anyone. They are supposed to be critical. They are supposed to by analytical. They are supposed to pick apart plays and calls and strategies and unusual happenings.

The point we've all been trying to make here is that Packer does NONE of the above. I don't think we'd really care if he was CRITICAL as long as he was CREDIBLE and had at least a clue as to what he was talking about.

It's his constant misinterpretation of the rules and butchering of the english language that's a problem.

Having said all that, I'll still sign, cuz I don't care HOW or WHY they get rid of him, as long as he goes!

And I LOVE the comment on that other web page "Packer was on fire. He was lighting it up from dumb-*** range"....classic!

I see his negativity as the least of Packer's problems. When we speak of negativity another hooooorrible broadcaster
comes to mind.

canuckrefguy,
I noted the rules in my reply.
mick

Stupid Strategy (cont)
 

Agree with the comments on the foul to give at end of half - especially considering the bench strength. Also, with rainmaker's comment on McNamara not getting the ball. But forget the shooting - Hinrich had McNamara wrapped up so tight he was making bad decisions. Anthony was bringing the ball up because Collison was guarding him and couldn't stop him from dribbling up. They never once turned it over with Anthony bringing it up, while McNamara looked like he had totally lost it mentally.

The other one that threw me was the comment on KU trapping at the end of the game. Packer hated the move to trap, but it helped to swing momentum one last time. SU was slowing things down, was tiring, and really struggled to have a patient possession when the trapping started. The trap will either invite a quick shot or force a quick turnover. With SUs inexperience, the quick shot was a reasonalbe expectation, and KU got a couple of rebounds off some ill advised shots by SU. It put them in position to tie (along with the missed FTs - but that worked both ways!).

As for keen knowledge of rules, I loved the goaltending statement (if it when in - really?!), as well as the one about being on the rim when the ball was in the cylinder. The BI call that was made was made because Duany actually gave a second tap with the ball in the cylinder (I think Forth was the first to touch and he was legal). It was Duany's illegal tap of a ball in the cylinder that resulted in the BI call, not the hand on the rim (which was never on rim at same time as ball).

Oh well, at least we didn't have anybody travel while OOB last night :)

BTTT! 2 years later!!
 

Look at the number of hits on this thread! :p


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