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Mark Padgett Thu Mar 27, 2003 03:19pm

NF rules. Team A is in double bonus and A1 is at line to shoot two. Official mistakenly signals one and one. A1 misses the first shot and it is rebounded by B1. B1 goes the length of the court and makes a layup. Scorer immediately sounds horn (team A does not go to get the ball and the official does not place it at their disposal) and informs officials that there should have been a second free throw and also that he did not start the clock on the rebound. Official tells team B this is a correctable error, the basket doesn't count and they are going back to shoot the second free throw. B1 takes ball and kicks it into stands. Official calls technical on B1.

What happens next?

Hawks Coach Thu Mar 27, 2003 03:26pm

If I am coaching B, I pull B1 from the game and inform the ref that they need to refer to the correctable error rules in the book. We get our 2 points, A shoots the second FT with the lane cleared, A then shoots the technicals, then A gets the ball at midcourt.


Otherwise, if the ref continues down the wrong path that they commenced, B gets shafted by unfairly losing their two points, A shoots three FTs with lane cleared and gets ball at midcourt.

devdog69 Thu Mar 27, 2003 04:02pm

Great job Hawks, now give us the odds of it actually being done right in a high school basketball game ;)

bob jenkins Fri Mar 28, 2003 08:21am

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
NF rules. Team A is in double bonus and A1 is at line to shoot two. Official mistakenly signals one and one. A1 misses the first shot and it is rebounded by B1. B1 goes the length of the court and makes a layup. Scorer immediately sounds horn (team A does not go to get the ball and the official does not place it at their disposal) and informs officials that there should have been a second free throw and also that he did not start the clock on the rebound. Official tells team B this is a correctable error, the basket doesn't count and they are going back to shoot the second free throw. B1 takes ball and kicks it into stands. Official calls technical on B1.

What happens next?

If B1 is the "only" one that reacted to the missed FT, then the officials are correct (but for the wrong reason).

IF "all" the players and officials reacted to the missed FT, then the officials have the right reason, but the wrong ruling.

In either case B1 gets a T.

If somewhere between "only B1" and "all players and officials" reacted, then the officials must decide.


rainmaker Fri Mar 28, 2003 07:01pm

Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
NF rules. Team A is in double bonus and A1 is at line to shoot two. Official mistakenly signals one and one. A1 misses the first shot and it is rebounded by B1. B1 goes the length of the court and makes a layup. Scorer immediately sounds horn (team A does not go to get the ball and the official does not place it at their disposal) and informs officials that there should have been a second free throw and also that he did not start the clock on the rebound. Official tells team B this is a correctable error, the basket doesn't count and they are going back to shoot the second free throw. B1 takes ball and kicks it into stands. Official calls technical on B1.

What happens next?

If B1 is the "only" one that reacted to the missed FT, then the officials are correct (but for the wrong reason).

IF "all" the players and officials reacted to the missed FT, then the officials have the right reason, but the wrong ruling.

In either case B1 gets a T.

If somewhere between "only B1" and "all players and officials" reacted, then the officials must decide.


Bob--

Please elucidate. Thanks

Woodee Fri Mar 28, 2003 08:56pm

Elucidate??????
 
Rainmaker,

Elucidate, I hope it means explain.

bob jenkins Sat Mar 29, 2003 11:27am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
NF rules. Team A is in double bonus and A1 is at line to shoot two. Official mistakenly signals one and one. A1 misses the first shot and it is rebounded by B1. B1 goes the length of the court and makes a layup. Scorer immediately sounds horn (team A does not go to get the ball and the official does not place it at their disposal) and informs officials that there should have been a second free throw and also that he did not start the clock on the rebound. Official tells team B this is a correctable error, the basket doesn't count and they are going back to shoot the second free throw. B1 takes ball and kicks it into stands. Official calls technical on B1.

What happens next?

If B1 is the "only" one that reacted to the missed FT, then the officials are correct (but for the wrong reason).

IF "all" the players and officials reacted to the missed FT, then the officials have the right reason, but the wrong ruling.

In either case B1 gets a T.

If somewhere between "only B1" and "all players and officials" reacted, then the officials must decide.


Bob--

Please elucidate. Thanks

If B1 was the "only" one to react, then the ball was dead when the first FT was missed, B1's basket doesn't count, shoot A1's second throw. THat's what the officials ruled, but it wasn't a correctable error.

If "all" players reacted, then the ball was live, it is a correctable error (as the officials said) and should be corrected according to that rule (which is not what the officials said).

In between, well, that's why we get the big bucks.


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