Bottom one?
 

OK - now that we've discussed what the top three attributes we like to see in a partner are, let's cover the most disappointing attribute a partner could have. Lack of rules knowledge? Calling out of area? No hustle? Not using advantage/disadvantage? Poor mechanics? Condescending attitude? Won't share meds?

What do you guys say?

Not being professional

Most disappointing thing to me is a partner who disappears when you need him most. Calls a good solid game in a jr. high blowout, but in a tight varsity 4th quarter totally forgets how to blow the whistle.

The guy who makes me decide between having consistency amongst the crew and making bad calls.

+1

Close second: Incorrect verbage (i.e. "over the back"). That's an immediate ratings dropper for me.

The Guy Who Doesn't Care.....
 

I want my partner(s) to want to be there. If they're just going through the motions for the $, I'd rather do it myself/or two-man. It get's into the entire realm of appearance, not professional, doesn't hustle, poor comms, poor signals, etc.

I agree because this means so many things.

Peace

Granted I'm just getting done with my first patched year. So I'm a noob.

1. An untrustworthy partner.
2. Someone not willing to give maximum effort.
3. Someone who has a personal agenda.

Partners who don't show and, even when they're there physically, don't show.

Outside of a partner who fails to show up for the game, here are my top 5:

1. Someone who wants the attention on him/her. Shows in two ways--flashy exaggerated mechanics and would rather blow the whistle on a close call than let the play go without a whistle. This person inserts himself/herself into the game too frequently. This person is just itching to blow the whistle and wants desperately to make the big call.

2. The partner who holds too high an opinion of himself/herself. This person's calls cannot ever be critiqued because he/she is always right and always has some explanation for why such and such a decision was correct even though everyone else knows it was BS. This person believes that the game being officiated is beneath him/her and wants to talk about how many college games he/she has done or when I had so and so last week or I'll be at a certain place next week.

3. The person who is too chatty with the players and coaches. Just leads to problems and also slows down the action.

4. Laziness. Doesn't want to switch, doesn't hustle to the table to report fouls, is slow to administer throw-ins and FTs. Turns a 1 hr and ten minute game into 90 minutes. Makes the game drag and sucks the energy out of it by being slow.

5. The person who calls fouls and violations on plays because they look awkward instead of apply what is written in the book. The play may be perfectly legal, but gets a whistle--sometimes right in front of YOU! Examples are when a player jumps or twists at an odd angle and avoids contact, but yells or lands hard or a player muffs a pass and juggles it for a few steps before controlling it. The first gets a foul on the nearest defender and the second gets called traveling. Many of these are ex-players or coaches who KNOW that they are right and can't be told otherwise.

1. Not a good communicator (pre-game, during game with verbal AND non-verbal and POST-game)
2. doesn't hustle on the floor
3. thinks that they're God's gift to officiating

(4. Wears a belt...)

+1

+5

I disagree, I would rather not have "him" there, then be there, and throw me under the bus.

All of the above.

MTD, Sr.

Choo Choo Charlie ...
 

I hate working with structural engineers. Too smart. Always thinking.

Sounds like a chemist to me! :rolleyes:

Frogs ??? Lice ??? Flies ??? Boils ???
 

What's the story with Northern Virginia? First an earthquake. Then a hurricane. You guys must have done something really, really, bad to piss off the Big Guy? What's next? Locusts?

That's what Pat Roberston's saying too! :eek:

Next disaster....Obama. Oh, wait, he's already in the area.

Exactly why I picked it.

Actually, we had a terrible drought prior to the earthquake and hurricane.....but, overall, it could be a lot worse. I had some downed tree limbs, but we have power and no flooding here.

Best of luck to everyone.

Speaking of chemists, Padgett never shares his meds, :D.

MTD, Sr.

Glad to hear that you are fine. It is a mess in several places back there.
Take care.

Not true. I share them all the time - while standing on a street corner - for a price. :cool:

Thanks Nevada! We are better off then a great many!

Since this thread got into this subject (which is fine), let me add my best wishes for those of you on the east coast who had to put up with this horrific event. I hope you and all your loved ones are OK.

Here in the Portland area, we've had sunny days with temps in the 80s. It's cooling off a little now down into the 70s for highs.

I can't imagine going through what some people went through this past week and my prayers are with them.

The guy who wants to give a rules clinic on every call, and engages the coach every time he makes a sound. You can usually spot him in the captain's meeting.

Oh, and the guy who can't stop taking about hot moms in pregame. Mainly because it's just annoying.

Officials who wear their collegiate warmup jacket to work a high school contest.

Really :rolleyes:

No it's not. :cool:

A great example, for many, of big-timing.

Are you saying "really" because you do not agree or you do not believe that happens?

Peace

I do not think anyone really does this out of big timing. I think this is done more out of total ignorance. I see more younger and newer officials wearing these jackets than I see those that actually work those games on a regular basis.

Peace

I took it as "I'm very surprised that's really number one on your list of what makes a bad partner"

It can be a symptom of "big timing" and I agree that "big timing" can be a problem, but just wearing the jacket isn't very high on my list.

I've never seen an official(s) wear the CCA jacket to a HS game. One has to be really excited about working college games or just plain & simple, trying to big time someone.

There used to be a time when you could accidently "grab the wrong jacket" but since they put the big white stripes on it, that excuse is no longer valid.

A partner wearing the jacket wouldn't rank very high on my list though...

And that is why I asked. Because it does happen around here even with the big white stripe more than I would like to admit. I can go to some big time tournaments and see guys wearing these jackets left and right. It is usually a sign that the ego of those are out of whack if they are doing this at the varsity level and some of those will complain they are not getting a shot in the post season. That certainly does not have to be high on anyone's list, but it usually goes back to "professionalism" in which I find very high on my list and often is exposed by little things like wearing this jacket. These are the same guys that will not use a mechanic or will apply a college rule because it is not what they learned a college camp if they wear the jacket on purpose.

Peace

It certainly doesn't communicate "I'm here for the GAME first & foremost, my partners secondly & myself last."

I worked a women's college game years ago and my partner who was assigned the game by the conference assigner wore his H.S. shirt (i.e., StateHSAA patch) and his H.S. (StateHSAA patch) warm-up jacket. It was a fun game to officiate, :(.

MTD, Sr.

I remember wearing my HS patched shirt to college camps early on :o

Also wore shorts to my 1st ever HS game :o :o

I dont know much now & knew even less back then, but at least now I know what I dont know :D

You Can Say That Again ...
 

The more you study, the more you know. The more you know, the more you forget. The more you forget, the less you know. So, why study?

The less you study, the less you know. The less you know, the less you forget. The less you forget, the more you know. So, why study?

What's next - beans, beans, the musical fruit?

The More You Eat ...
 

... the more you toot.

Why isn't there one jacket standard for all levels below NCAA? In Canada, everybody from Jr. High on up (though JH officials generally don't worry too much about jackets) wears the same black jacket with the national association crest on it.

Because this is not Canada. ;)

Peace

Yeah.

That's what S&P said. http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l5...rotflmao-1.gif

why?
 

Why does it matter if a guy wears his college jacket?
You all know i just recently stopped playing so, as a player the one time i saw a guy with a college jacket; I thought to myself " ok. well I know FOR SURE I've got one A+ official tonight" it was nice to know as a player. Did I think less of the partners NO not at all.:confused:

It's not really a huge issue to me, but it could be argued that wearing the college jacket instead of the high school one can give coaches/players a preconceived notion of the quality of officials at work...that the high school guys aren't as good as the college guy. Heck, your example is proof...you may say you didn't think less of the other officials, but you already thought the college guy was A+...meaning you thought less of the other two.

Also, for some officials, they could be doing it to try and big-time their high school partner(s).

I dont think less of an official until he calls my game. what I mean is that the other guys are gonna have to prove themselves on the court. Now keep in mind if the guy wearing the college jacket started kicking every other call then my post game thoughts about the crew could all be the same.

You've thought less of the other official(s) by virtue of not thinking of them A+ like you did the college official.

So ummm, which 1 is it :rolleyes:

If we are to use the approved mechanics/signals for the level we are working THAT particular night, we should be wearing the approved uniform for that level as well!
After all, how can we be uniformed if we are wearing different uniforms??IMO, the guy wearing the college jacket is simply stating, "I do a higher level than this!"

In my area, some officials wear their IAABO patched shirt w/flag to work wreck/youth ball during the off-season. I've even seen some guys wear them at MS games.
When I ask them about it, 7 out of 10 times its all about "letting the participants & fans know that they are certified." The other 3 just dont want to invest in a off-season shirt. Many say it lets the coaches know not to mess with them :rolleyes:

For ME, I just let my game do the talking!

Get plays right... have a presence on the court... exude confidence & an I've been here before attitude.... those things will keep a coach off of you no matter what level you're working, not a damn uniform!

Trust me when I say that working college games isn't a sign that the person is an "A+ official."

For one thing, the jacket is not authorized to be worn by anyone not working a game under the college level. That is the problem plain and simple. And wearing a jacket does not prove you are working that level in any way. It might call you out as a liar or trying to make it look like you are representing something you are not. And considering that in many cases those individuals wearing those jackets have never worked a single college game in their life that is why for me that is a big problem. Just like it is not allowed to wear a high school jacket for a college game. That would be out of place too and in my state we have shirts and jackets with state logos on them. I would never go out and where those shirts and jackets at that level, so why would it be OK to wear college stuff at the HS level?

Peace

professionalism and appropriateness
 

As was mentioned or inferred by others it's a principle of professionalism by showing respect for your state/local association and your officiating partners. It's also a simple matter of wearing the appropriate jacket. Joe DeRosa would never consider (nor would he be permitted) to wear his NBA jacket to work an NCAA game.