Correctable Error: Good Game Mgmt or Breach of Ethics?

JugglingReferee

Originally posted by Blackhawk357
Alright all you referee junkies, here's the situation:
Here's the Question~
Have you just contributed to a healthy flow by not rubbing salt in the wound of Team B and showing off your rules knowledge, or have you committed a serious breach of ethics by setting aside a rule?

In my game, the ball was inbounded before I noticed the error.

Sorry coach. Good luck in the final.

Mike

Tee

Two words- Game awareness

Those words being said, I will freely admit to not being aware in these sort of situations at times. But a blowout means you can look at the foul count a little closer.

If this were a low level rec game blowout, I might overlook the 7th in the situation you describe, but in a State game? No way! Get it right.

BTW, we have a snowstorm happening right now here in Seattle!

ChuckElias

I agree that this depends on the level of the game. Low level game, it goes unnoticed. But if it's a varsity game where the point totals count toward school and/or conference records, then the player deserves to have his opportunity.

Chuck

canuckrefguy

Tough call,

You know the leagues and how they operate, and whether points for/against play a role. Sounds to me like it wouldn't here, so get the ball back in play, manage coaches later.

Dan_ref

I'm not sure why there's such a rush to get the ball back in play. Talk to the table, if that was the seventh we're gonna shoot. Why do I care by how much B is winning or losing? Besides the fact it's the rule, you never know who's in the stands watching you. Could be you blew an opportunity by being a nice guy to coach B.

ChuckElias

No surprise, but. . . great point, Dan!

Adam

I'm not seeing where the problem is here. You've double checked with the table, and they told you twice that it was only 6. As far as you know, the clock guy has it wrong. Since the scorer has told you without reservation that it's only six, don't you have to assume the clock has it wrong? Unless the buzzer goes off for a correctable, why delay the game?

Adam

LarryS

Maybe it is just a carry-over of the way I was raised. But if I notice the possible error...it gets corrected...period! I'm there to do a job and will do it to the best of my ability and in accordance with the rules of the game.

Really can't see why anyone would debate this internally. If you are a good enough official to get a State Semi game...this seems to be a "No Brainer"

AK ref SE

I say talk it over with the bench before putting the ball in play. What if you got to the Double Bonus, and the coach starts yelling then about how could you be in the double bonus....We only had three fouls from that point earlier. Just my miniscule opinion from the Great White North of Alaska! Which is not so great white! NO SNOW!
How am I going to get to the games! No Dog Sled

AK ref SE

Rich

Originally posted by LarryS
Maybe it is just a carry-over of the way I was raised. But if I notice the possible error...it gets corrected...period! I'm there to do a job and will do it to the best of my ability and in accordance with the rules of the game.

Really can't see why anyone would debate this internally. If you are a good enough official to get a State Semi game...this seems to be a "No Brainer"

I know a lot of officials who have worked state finals who wouldn't blink an eye at getting the ball into play. Don't assume.

Rich

Mark Dexter

One of two things happened in this case:

(a) The timer is correct; it's the 7th foul.

(b) The scorer is correct; it's the 6th foul.

Either way, something needs to be corrected (book or board) so that the coaches/fans/players aren't going nuts over whether there should or should not be any free throws.

And, yes, I know the scoreboard is unofficial, but try telling that to a few hundred screaming fans.

ChuckElias

Originally posted by AK ref SE
the Great White North of Alaska! Which is not so great white! NO SNOW!
How am I going to get to the games! No Dog Sled

Come on out to New England! We can't seem to stop the snow from coming. Seems like winter is here to stay. Global warming, my eye! 😠

Chuck

theshortbaldref

First of all, mom says thanks for filling the gastank back up, but you could have at least thrown all the empties (and the panties) out of the cab.
Secondly, I know you've done enuf state championships mixed with you're share of blowouts to know Team B wasn't coming back to affect the outcome. I know you're a man of conscience, character, conviction, and common sense (as displayed by the visit to the doctor's office to give your wife that early X-mas present after three kids in four years) and you did bounce the ball three times to think about it. If you would have had Team A -20 points, it might have been a tough choice, but knowing you didn't, I'd say you dun did the right thing, pardner. Now, can I have my schedule for next year reinstated...please!!

[Edited by theshortbaldref on Mar 7th, 2003 at 07:41 PM]

Blackhawk357

Originally posted by theshortbaldref

Now, can I have my schedule for next year reinstated...please!!

JR or Chuck ~ Any chance that you might have, in your never ending supply of icons, one with a Big Brown Nose in honor of the short bald guy?

Blackhawk

canuckrefguy

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
I know a lot of officials who have worked state finals who wouldn't blink an eye at getting the ball into play. Don't assume.

Thanks, Rich.

My first big tournament, had a blowout quarter-final game, one team ahead by 25, both teams anxious for game to end. I had a situation not really similar, but related to this one. I corrected it, making both teams stand around for 1-2 minutes in the process. I was mildly criticized by my evaluator who said, in no uncertain terms, just let it go.

A good example of how officiating is not just about the rules.