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Raymond Sun Aug 14, 2011 08:32pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 780796)
Big of you.

And rare for this site. Quite a few folks on this site are never wrong. :rolleyes:

NCHSAA Sun Aug 14, 2011 08:42pm

Where did you find that?

Jeremy Hohn Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:01pm

Ironically Felicia Grinter (the C official on this play) was one of my clinicians in Orlando, and actually mentioned to me that line of thinking that once the shot is blocked cleanly that contact on the follow through needs to be severe enough to cause true affect on the play.

In this case, the shot was capped and then, the flailing and so forth by Bird was to try and bait the call.

Good to see Felicia practice what she preaches!

just another ref Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:19am

Does the fact that it was ruled correct make it any less debatable?

Adam Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:37am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 780865)
Does the fact that it was ruled correct make it any less debatable?

You could debate how to call it at other levels. But it's obvious that the call in this game was made correctly.

Raymond Mon Aug 15, 2011 07:30am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 780865)
Does the fact that it was ruled correct make it any less debatable?

Debate it all you want, but in the end it's a judgement call. We've had this discussion a million times about this exact play. And most reasonable officials agree that the play needs to be officiated the way the person who pays you for that specific game wants it to be officiated.

just another ref Mon Aug 15, 2011 09:54am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 780871)
You could debate how to call it at other levels. But it's obvious that the call in this game was made correctly.

How is it any more obvious than it was before? It is a judgment call. The person who judged it to be correct is just another opinion.

Raymond Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:05am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 780942)
How is it any more obvious than it was before? It is a judgment call. The person who judged it to be correct is just another opinion.

Someone has to be the boss and have the final say. And I'm quite sure those WNBA officials have certain philosophies ingrained in them and when working WNBA games that's whose philosophies count.

Those same WNBA officials also work NCAA basketball and I'm quite sure if they work for a supervisor who wants that call made they will call a foul on that exact same play.

JRutledge Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:07am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 780942)
How is it any more obvious than it was before? It is a judgment call. The person who judged it to be correct is just another opinion.

Maybe not just another opinion, but the only opinion that matters. Keep in mind none of these folks here opinion matters in this issue or call.

Peace

APG Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:04pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 780942)
How is it any more obvious than it was before? It is a judgment call. The person who judged it to be correct is just another opinion.

You make it sound as if it's just another person giving their opinion on the play...:rolleyes:

just another ref Mon Aug 15, 2011 09:52pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 780964)
You make it sound as if it's just another person giving their opinion on the play...:rolleyes:

It is just another person giving an opinion on the play. It just so happens that person has authority on the matter, but it is still just one opinion, nothing more.

Here, that person's opinion means no more than the opinion of anyone else.

APG Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:21pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 781096)
It is just another person giving an opinion on the play. It just so happens that person has authority on the matter, but it is still just one opinion, nothing more.

Here, that person's opinion means no more than the opinion of anyone else.

Eh...I tend to take a person in authority's opinion a lot more seriously and give it a lot more weight than just anyone's opinions. If I hear a ruling form Ronnie Nunn in the NBA or Carl Johnson in the NFL, I'll take his opinion on a play as fact. Because the matter of the fact is if your boss says something is, there is no real debate...if you want to work at the level for long.

JRutledge Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:51am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 781096)
It is just another person giving an opinion on the play. It just so happens that person has authority on the matter, but it is still just one opinion, nothing more.

Nothing more, really, nothing more???? :rolleyes:

You and I can disagree on this one and no one is going to get fired if they disagree with us or call it the way they think. If someone disagrees with the supervisor, they will just be here with us talking about the play and watching like you or I. Sorry, that is a big difference.

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 781096)
Here, that person's opinion means no more than the opinion of anyone else.

Keep believing that.

Peace

Raymond Tue Aug 16, 2011 07:19am

Some folks believe that a judgement call must be ruled the same in every single conference and every single level of play. :rolleyes:

JRutledge Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 781154)
Some folks believe that a judgement call must be ruled the same in every single conference and every single level of play. :rolleyes:

I will say I agree with that premise. I call the game the exact same no matter what the level. It helps me with my consistency.

Peace


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