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Camron Rust Wed Aug 10, 2011 02:43am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 779370)
Why would "people" say that?
Possibly because the definition of dribble includes batting the ball????

If the bat is controlled and is to the floor, it is, by definition, a dribble. And the ball, even though it bounced in the frontcourt off of the official, is not technically in the frontcourt since it is now "during a dribble".

Nevadaref Wed Aug 10, 2011 06:54am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 779402)
Possibly because the definition of dribble includes batting the ball????

If the bat is controlled and is to the floor, it is, by definition, a dribble. And the ball, even though it bounced in the frontcourt off of the official, is not technically in the frontcourt since it is now "during a dribble".
It could be a pass as a pass may also be made by batting the ball.

Also, you are certainly aware that the 3-points rule doesn't apply to an interrupted dribble. So if the official were to deem that to be the case, then the ball would attain FC status.

mbyron Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:01am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 779449)
It could be a pass as a pass may also be made by batting the ball.
It could also be a fumble. Batting alone doesn't determine the status of the ball.

Camron Rust Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:23am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 779449)
It could be a pass as a pass may also be made by batting the ball.

Also, you are certainly aware that the 3-points rule doesn't apply to an interrupted dribble. So if the official were to deem that to be the case, then the ball would attain FC status.
Nothing I can disagree with in that.

Nevadaref Wed Aug 10, 2011 05:00pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 779504)
It could also be a fumble. Batting alone doesn't determine the status of the ball.
Actually, for it to be a fumble, the player must have held the ball in his grasp at some point as the definition of a fumble is when the ball slips from the grasp of a player.

So if the player merely bats a ball, then it could not be a fumble.

mbyron Wed Aug 10, 2011 07:52pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 779605)
Actually, for it to be a fumble, the player must have held the ball in his grasp at some point as the definition of a fumble is when the ball slips from the grasp of a player.

So if the player merely bats a ball, then it could not be a fumble.
A bat might not be a fumble, but it could be. Please don't correct me when I'm right.:p

Camron Rust Thu Aug 11, 2011 02:06am
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 779642)
A bat might not be a fumble, but it could be. Please don't correct me when I'm right.:p
I disagree. The bat can't be a fumble. It might follow a fumble. But, it can't be a fumble.

Nevadaref Thu Aug 11, 2011 03:13am
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 779642)
A bat might not be a fumble, but it could be. Please don't correct me when I'm right.:p
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 779701)
I disagree. The bat can't be a fumble. It might follow a fumble. But, it can't be a fumble.
I'm going to have to agree with Camron, and not just to correct you. :)

Raymond Fri Oct 07, 2011 01:05pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 777448)
The NFHS has changed the definition of a backcourt violation in the 2011-12 rules book. Unfortunately, this change has NOT been announced as either a rule change or an editorial change! :(

Previous wording (2010-11 season):
Art. 1... A player shall not be the first to touch a ball after it has been in team control in the frontcourt, if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt.

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I have put the changes to the text from the previous season in red.
Well, this should eliminate the often criticized Interp concerning A1 throwing a pass from the BC, B1 tipping it while in the FC, and A1 catching the deflection on the fly in the BC. ;)


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