T or ignore?....

tref

Snaqwells wrote
I don't find it all that difficult to draw the line at an inch, if that's where I want it drawn. If the AC wants to take my courtesy as some sort of license, that's his problem, not mine.

True, but why even allow for the opportunity to occur?
Proactive!

JRutledge

Snaqwells wrote
I don't find it all that difficult to draw the line at an inch, if that's where I want it drawn. If the AC wants to take my courtesy as some sort of license, that's his problem, not mine.

tref wrote
True, but why even allow for the opportunity to occur?
Proactive!

When it is all said and done, this is really about whatever you are comfortable with. What makes me successful as an official is what makes me successful. What makes someone else successful make them successful? I do not give a damn what coaches think of me. I never really have. I have a job to do and that job comes first. If they are offended by the way I deal with them, they will probably not be around long enough for me to care or I passed 20 other schools to get to their school or conference. I have no problem answering questions, but not on every play and not yelling across the court. And I know other officials that feel they need to make everyone happy, while making no one happy. You have to do what works for you and do not care what others do in the end. There are many ways to the mountain top and we should all remember that in this discussion. That means for me AC should be seen and not heard. That is also my all sports position when I officiate/umpire and it works for me. I have found when a coach asks a question, 9 times out of 10 it is not to really get knowledge; it is to accuse you of not seeing something or agreeing with them. I would rather do that with a HC who earned the right to be the HC than someone that is helping out or no one thinks they are competent to run the program. And when the HC is not saying something I am certainly not going to get into much discussion with the AC about much of anything. Some AC are more known than others and they I will treat them as they treat me. If they are respectful or really asking a question and I have time I will answer. But that is not very often. I just think many worry too much about what coaches thing. We stop doing that then we will have less to worry about.

Peace

Brick43

One of my mentors once gave me this advice. Anytime one coach wants to ask you a question during a TO ask him to wait one second as you want to invite the opposing coach over too, they might want to hear this. More often then not the convo ends right there. It also lets both sides know that neither is going to be working you for calls.

BLydic

Brick43 wrote
One of my mentors once gave me this advice. Anytime one coach wants to ask you a question during a TO ask him to wait one second as you want to invite the opposing coach over too, they might want to hear this. More often then not the convo ends right there. It also lets both sides know that neither is going to be working you for calls.

So you never answer questions from a coach?

Adam

tref wrote
True, but why even allow for the opportunity to occur?
Proactive!

I tend to think proaction should be used to prevent actual problems. I've never had an AC go too far in this. The only times I've had to ring HP an AC, he never took the time to ask any questions.

tref

Snaqwells wrote
I tend to think proaction should be used to prevent actual problems. I've never had an AC go too far in this. The only times I've had to ring HP an AC, he never took the time to ask any questions.

Hahaha ok I'll buy that Snaqs!

When I get an opportunity to put my own crew together on a city-league game, I'm gonna ask you first! You'll see first hand how an AC can become an "actual problem" when you converse with them 😀

Adam

😀. I'll take you up on it.

Camron Rust

tref wrote
I do not have time to explain why this wasn't a backcourt violation...

It was a timeout, what else would you need to do for the next 60 seconds?

tref wrote
Most times, you explain & they have something else to say. I can live with that from the coach, its his job. But no back & forth whatsoever with ACs or players.

Then you walk away...but just because it might turn into that doesn't mean it will...particularly if the assistant hasn't said a word all game. Give them a short answer and move on.

tref

Camron Rust wrote
It was a timeout, what else would you need to do for the next 60 seconds?

Talk to my partners, look at hot chicks, get the sweat out of my eyes, etc, etc.
Basically, many other things besides having discussions with an AC.

Camron Rust wrote
Then you walk away...but just because it might turn into that doesn't mean it will...particularly if the assistant hasn't said a word all game. Give them a short answer and move on.

One for sure way it wont turn into that... only give explainations to the HC! And as I previously stated, for the most part, HCs rarely get in-game rules clinics. They should know the basic rules (backcourt, travel, illegal dribble) at the levels I work. Judgement call questions will always get time of day, when time permits & through the proper channels. And that has worked for me on my journey.

BillyMac

Snaqwells wrote
With 14 seconds left, the only thing that's going to actually make the game better is to let 14 seconds run off the clock; but I think this T needs to be called. Even if it only makes the next game better.

The following didn't involve an assistant, but sometimes you just have to charge a technical foul, for no other reason than the fact that the coach deserves it:

http://forum.officiating.com/basketball/58713-ejection.html#post686961

Raymond

BillyMac wrote
The following didn't involve an assistant, but sometimes you just have to charge a technical foul, for no other reason than the fact that the coach deserves it:

http://forum.officiating.com/basketball/58713-ejection.html#post686961

What a lively discussion!!!! I wonder on how NoFear would have faired. 😀

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