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Raymond Sun Jul 17, 2011 08:36am

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 773122)
Tough decision to make, great teaching points in the 9 second clip!

If there is a call to be made, who has it... the L across the paint or the C who is not engaged whatsoever?
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That would be the C's call. He's there to ref the play.

truerookie Sun Jul 17, 2011 08:48am

As the Lead, I am picking up the secondary defender. IMO, I'm going with the PC..

Camron Rust Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:31am

Nothing....play on.

BLydic Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 773131)
That would be the C's call. He's there to ref the play.

C may have been a step late to see defender before contact. I've been taught that in quick transition the L has the best opportunity to see this type of play.

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Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 773133)
As the Lead, I am picking up the secondary defender. IMO, I'm going with the PC..

In the video, the new lead really took off on the rebound and appears to have perfect position on the endline to view the play. Hard to argue with his no call.

Mark Padgett Sun Jul 17, 2011 01:12pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 773153)
Nothing....play on.

+infinity

Adam Sun Jul 17, 2011 01:46pm

We're taught here, as lead, to either rotate in transition or, if you can't make it over in time, let the C have the first crack at this call. In this play, it looks like the play happened quickly enough that lead couldn't get over.

Either way, it looks like a flop from the camera angle.

Adam Sun Jul 17, 2011 01:48pm

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Originally Posted by BLydic (Post 773076)
First impression yes, but I'm leaning more towards a patient whistle to see results of the play. Does white secure the ball? If so, I'm passing. Unfortunately the video ends too soon.

I got nothing on that rebound, either.

APG Sun Jul 17, 2011 01:55pm

I guess since there's multiple aspects in which we're judging on rather than just the block/charge play:

No travel
Nothing on the block/charge play
Nothing on the rebounding action...regardless of who got the ball subsequently...at least from the portion of rebounding action we are afforded.

truerookie Sun Jul 17, 2011 05:07pm

In the video, the new lead really took off on the rebound and appears to have perfect position on the endline to view the play. Hard to argue with his no call.[/QUOTE]

I just stated how I would officiate the play. You can bet your sweeta** that was a secondary defender in transition who drew contact in the upper torso..

Adam Sun Jul 17, 2011 07:09pm

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Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 773207)
I just stated how I would officiate the play. You can bet your sweeta** that was a secondary defender in transition who drew contact in the upper torso..

Secondary defender? Maybe I'm confused, but how do you define secondary defender? The defender who went down on this play sure looks like the primary defender of the guy with the ball. If he's a secondary defender, then the shooter is a secondary offender.

We're all watching that defender, and let's just say the contact does not appear to be what knocks the defender 4 feet backwards. Does that mean there wasn't a foul? Not necessarily, but the C was in good position and I'd defer to his decision.

bainsey Sun Jul 17, 2011 07:23pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 773027)
I agree with the no call...contact was marginal at best IMO.

I don't know. Hard to tell with 33 White eclipsing the camera's angle at the time of the block/charge/nothing.

APG Sun Jul 17, 2011 07:44pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 773226)
I don't know. Hard to tell with 33 White eclipsing the camera's angle at the time of the block/charge/nothing.

The contact starts at the six second mark with white 33 out of the way. The contact doesn't quite rise to the level of a foul to me because IMO, the offensive player does contact the defender, but does not really go through the defender...the fact the offensive player does a (legal) spin move also helps in selling the fact that the contact is marginal...at least on this play.

Jeremy Hohn Sun Jul 17, 2011 09:35pm

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Originally Posted by btaylor64 (Post 773130)
I like the no call

Another vote for no call. It didn't seem that he displaced the defender to that degree, and his movement went back away from the defender rotating toward the goal.

As others have stated, if you had a similar play called a PC foul earlier, then get that one to "Mirror plays" for your crew.

refiator Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:15pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 773058)
If you need to watch the replay 6 times to figure it out, then no, he didn't.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

just another ref Mon Jul 18, 2011 01:50am

Having the philosophy that we will make the same call on "similar plays" is a crock, in my opinion. No matter how similar two plays may be, they may still fall on opposite sides of a very fine line. Each must be judged on its own merit.


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