End of Game T
 

Forgive me if this one has been posted before...

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If the T is for taunting due to running the length of the floor to celebrate directly in front of the opposing team's bench, then I agree with it. That action lacks class.

If it is for entering the court prior to time expiring, then I don't agree.

Do you have a write up on this situation from a local paper perhaps?

I can't tell: did the horn sound so near the basket? Game over, count the basket (if opposite table) and I'm gone.

What T'able action occurred in the video? :confused:

Apparently, celebrating a win in front of the opponent's bench is T-worthy.

Voila.

Macomb Daily Article

I'm going to have to assume there was something else there that the camera didn't pick up cause I'm just not seeing anything.

Dakota plans to protest the outcome of a boys high school basketball game the Cougars thought they had won.

I wonder how that turned out? :rolleyes:

"They called the technical after the time had expired," the Dakota coach said. "In our opinion, if a foul cannot be assessed after the game has ended, the technical is improper."

Not saying I agree with the T here, but it is safe to say that Dakota doesnt know the rules.

I read the Macomb daily article and found the local broadcast of the game if any are interested. About 1:24 into the vidie is the play, complete with the broadcasters call.
Romeo Vs Dakota Basketball Game on Vimeo

WOW...that is bad basketball, bad officiating, and bad announcing...

From the video just posted by Brick, the coach appears to bark at the ref at 1:24:54. The coach was jumping up and down about the basket then went/turned to the official and, in a drastic change of demeanor, appears to give him some words right in his face. The camera then pans away and it seems, even though a different official reports the foul, that official blows his whistle for the T.

This is filling in the blanks a bit, but that seems to be one possibility.

Also, at 1:24:57 (and 1:27:19, in one of the slow-mo replays), green #23 runs up to and shoves one of his opponents....could be enough for a T on that which would be indirect to the coach.

Thanks for the new video link-That youtube video was grainy at best.I don't know what the officials came up with for techs because I was watching the tape without audio.Here is what I came up with even though I am a lowly scorekeeper-

A.Dakota's coach knows better than to say he's going to protest because every state has a rule that you can only protest eligibility not misapplication of a rule and that technical fouls can be given from the time the officials enter the floor until the time they leave.

B.I had a technical foul on the green bench for excessive celebration (For their celebration going into the white bench) a technical foul on green #25 for shoving as the teams were returning to their benches,and a technical foul on green #23 for shoving at the beginning of the celebration.Didn't have anything on the white bench or team.Can anyone tell me what they actually came up with since I was watching it without sound.

C.Poor game management from white regarding crowd control-Any PA announcer with any reasonable amount of experience would've made an annoucement to stay off the floor during the last time out before green brought the ball up and scored.Host school staff should've been in front of each set of bleachers as crowd control.

They only called one T, as only two shots were taken, sending the game into OT.

What was wrong with the announcers?
 

They were innacurate, biased, and opinonated? What else could you ask for? ;)

Personally, I found them comical........"the refs swallowed their whistles." Indeed!

I thought the whole point of this was that he doesn't know better because he doesn't know the rule regarding officials jurisdiction.

That's what I was initially thinking, but notice that, when one official reports the foul to the table, we don't see any numbers indicated. He only pointed toward the bench. That tells me it was either against a coach, bench, or team.

We first heard the whistle at 1:25:02, so if it was on the coach, it could have been several seconds into his "tirade." Or, it could have been on the team for an unsporting demonstration.

Whatever the case, I'm quite certain it wasn't for "excessive celebration." One beautiful thing about basketball is that I've never seen those words in the rule book (unlike other sports). Celebration is positive; taunting is negative, and the T-able offense.

Agree. I doubt it was on #23 or any other individual player for the same reason you mention....no numbers were reported. My "guess" is that it was on the coach for the tirade that appeared to be begin 1:24:54 and probably continued after the camera panned away.

IIRC (I've not rewatched the video) one official (the one that was near the coach) was offscreen at the time of the whistle while the other two were onscreen and didn't appear to be blowing their whistle. The official that was offscreen then appears to talk with another official (possibly the R) who subsequently reports the T.


Celebration "could" be considered taunting if done in the other team's face or at their bench when they had no reason to be near the other team's bench.

I have to admit I was skeptical of Nevada's comment that the celebration could have been the T, but after watching the video, I know what he means. It was almost like they ran across the court just to celebrate in the face of the white team.

More likely, though, it was something the coach said after the shot went in, thinking he had a free shot after the game was over. #23 should have been popped, too, IMO.

True, but then I just call it "taunting."

I try to stay away from "excessive celebration," because it's not in the NFHS rule book, and there's no specific penalty against that, unlike in soccer (NFHS: "excessive or prolonged act(s) which a player attempts to focus attention upon himself...") or the NFL/college football. I'm only assuming that such a rule exists in NFHS football, too.

That's why I say "celebration is positive; taunting is negative." It makes the whole thing easier to distinguish.

Padgett-you are right that the guy evidently does not know the official's jurisdiction rule.I now understand why you came up with the name "Howler Monkey" for coaches.

I applaud the officials for finishing the game until they had left the visual confines. The team in green was classless in their post-game antics. Well deserved 'T' IMO.