need a clairification
 

Team "A" scores a basket, team "B" with the ball o/b,
running the baseline, releases the ball onto the playing
floor at which time team "A" kicks the ball. Officials
whistle blows indicating a kick ball. Does Team "B"
retain the baseline to run or is he/she put on a spot..

7-5-7b couldn't be clearer. ;)

Actually, 7-5-7b does not provide the answer without additional facts. You might want to also check out 7.5.7 Situation B.

7.5.7 Situation B Works Too ...
 

A throw-in anywhere along the end line after a goal or an awarded
goal for basket interference or goaltending by a defensive player, as in 9-12
Penalty 1, the team not credited with the score shall make a throw-in from the
end of the court where the goal was made and from any point outside the end
line.
a. Any player of the team may make a direct throw-in or he/she may pass the
ball along the end line to a teammate(s) outside the boundary.
b. A team retains this privilege if the scoring team commits a violation or
common foul (before the throw-in ends and before the bonus is in effect)
and the ensuing throw-in spot would have been on the end line.

7.5.7 SITUATION B: Team A scores a field goal. B1 picks up the ball after the
made basket, then proceeds out of bounds to start the throw-in process. B1 runs
along the end line out of bounds while attempting to find an open teammate for
the throw-in. Immediately after B1 releases the throw-in pass, (a) the ball is
kicked by A2 near the end line; (b) the ball is kicked by A2 near the division line;
or (c) the ball is deflected out of bounds across the end line off of A2. RULING:
In (a) and (b), A2 has violated by kicking the ball. In (a), Team B will be awarded
a throw-in and retain the right to run the end line on the ensuing throw-in. In (b),
Team B will put the ball in play at a designated spot nearest the violation, which
is the division line. In (c), A2 legally contacted the ball and subsequently hit it out
of bounds, ending the throw-in. Team B is awarded a designated spot throw-in on
the end line.

It depends. Where will the ensuing throw-in be adminsitered?

Amazingly, sometimes we just can't answer a simple question.
 

Observer, if the kick occurs within the area where an endline throw-in would normally be awarded, B would retain the right to run the endline.

But let's say the throwin was released and the ball was kicked by a defender FT line extended on the sideline or at the division line. A spot throw-in from the sideline would be awarded.

That's why Snaq said it dependson where will the ensuing throw-in be adminsitered.

Run The Sideline ???
 

What? You don't get a "run the sideline" throwin on a violation after a made basket? Now that doesn't seem fair?

A Shot Down the Line
 

Depends on if the original throw-in was from the first "baseline" or the third "baseline." ;) Did the kick take place in the infield or the outfield? :D

Was it a thrown ball or a batted ball that was kicked?

Was Doug Flutie Involved ???
 

Baseline vs endline...along with "requesting" a timeout vs. "calling" a timeout are silly (IMO) to worry about as far as semantics go...it's not the same as people using "over the back" or "on the floor" as those phrases imply improper rules application/judgement and perpetuate rules myths...

/end mini rant :D

Player, Team Member, Bench Personnel ???
 

I'm not going to disagree with you AllPurposeGamer. It is silly, but officials should use the correct language whenever, and wherever, possible. I don't mind posters, like Freddy, occasionally reminding us, with a little humor, about using the proper language, as long as it's not mean spirited, or condescending. Over the years, semantics comments on the Forum, like Freddy's, have encouraged me to think of timeouts as being a two step process, the requesting, and the granting, and that's it's not as simple as a coach calling a timeout.

My point is I'm never going to get on an official or even correct one for using either that language in that case...or if they used for example halfcourt line vs. division line vs midcourt line, etc. That kind of language does not and should not cause confusion as they just locations on the court that I hope anyone with a whistle knows and understand.

Now, when we discuss rules and concepts that have specific definitions in the rules book, it is then that I would expect an official to use proper language...so we don't have a situation where, for example, someone uses a dictionary definition of intentional rather than the rule book definition.

Misty Water Colored Memories ...
 

Midcourt line? You mean the one that used to separate the forecourt from the midcourt? The line that gave a dribbler a new five second closely guarded count when he crossed it? The line defined by the twenty-eight foot hashmark? That line? It doesn't exist any more. I believe that it became extinct back in the twentieth century.

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As for baseline/endline, I believe the NFHS has used both terms in official rulings/publications. As such, it has been established as a proper synonym for endline.

I've always seen the NFHS use "end line" in basketball publications. You will see baseline in the baseball/softball books though. ;)

Calling All Cars ...
 

The NFHS has also used the phrase "call a timeout" in the casebook.

Just Don't Call Me Late For Dinner ...
 

Here's only one of several examples:

4.44.3 SITUATION C: A1 receives a pass and establishes the right foot as the
pivot. While faking a pass or try, A1 lifts the pivot foot and stands on the left foot
alone while undecided as to what to do. Has A1 traveled? RULING: No. Traveling
would occur only if A1 begins a dribble or returns the pivot foot to the floor. While
in this position A1 may pass, try for goal or call a time-out.

That being said, I still like using the terms "request" and "grant" in discussing timeout situations because it stresses that this is actually a two step process.

Billy:

I agree with you about "using the terms "request" and "grant" in discussing timeout situations because it stresses that this is actually a two step process." That said, it really burns my tuchus (by the way, it is 97F here in Toledo today, and boy am I glad that Mark, Jr., and I decided not to make ourselves available for either the ASA and USSSA girls' fastpitch softball tournaments in NW Ohio this weekend; the DeNucci Family has tickets for the MudHens game tomorrow night) when incorrect terminology is used in an official NFHS Ruling such as Casebook Play 4.44.3 SITUATION C.

Happy Fourth of July!!

MTD, Sr.

NFHS and NCAA, no. NBA, yes.

Having said that, I see nothing wrong with correcting proper wording in this forum. If we're so into accuracy -- as we should be -- we should walk our talk.

Turnabout Is Fair Play ...
 

Let's be accurate here. It's not a walk, it's a travel. We should travel our talk.

"He took steps!"
 

Like what results when, after passing up a close "over the back" call, I blow my whistle for a "jump ball", then award the ball to team A for an "inbounds pass" on the "baseline", but then "call the play dead" when the thrower steps out of his "three foot area" which prompts from me a good "walking with the ball" signal after which A2 "calls a timeout" for which I signal to the bench using the "T" signal and all the players but the free-thrower stand behind the "halfcourt line" for the technical foul I inadvertantly called. Not sure why we need to be precise with our terminology. :D
Can't think of any more relevant situational malaprops to put into a sentence.
Besides, nobody will read this today because everybody else is out barbequing or doing whatever they do to celebrate the 235th birthday of the country of the guy who invented basketball while others like me have to maintain our diligent work schedule protecting the citizenry from terroristic sabotage and threat. :)

Beer And Fireworks ??? What's Wrong With This Picture ???
 

I'll throw an extra "dog" on the grill, and drink an extra beer in your honor.

Just saying! ;)

Happy 4th Everyone.

Holy Canadian Bacon, John Candy, You're Right!
 

By golly, that's a grilling I deserve on this holiday weekend! No sense sitting here wrong when I can announce that I hereby stand corrected. :)

BTW - Disatisfied probably with the health care system north of the border and the way the standard mountie uniform didn't fit his rather short stature, our good doctor fled southward to Springfield and eventually to Kansas where he renounced his affection for LaBatts and Molson and became an official Bud drinker and American citizen in 1925. Eh. (Thanx, SmokeEater. I learned something today!)

Yes, he may have been a Canadian, but he was living/working in the US when he invented it. Maybe he left Canada for better healthcare???? :eek:

Let's play Jeopardy today. Dr. Naismith is the answer to a men's college basketball trivia question. Therfore what is the question?

MTD, Sr.

Terre de nos aïeux
 

Actually, the birthday of the country of the guy who invented basketball was last Friday and, if measured from Confederation, it would have been the 144th.

I'll Take Potent Potables For $100 Alex ... ...
 

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Who is the only coach in the University of Kansas men's basketball program history to have a losing record?

Give Billy a great big Fourth of July cigar. Dr. Naismith was hired by Kansas to be its first men's basketball coach. He came to Kansas in 1898 and retired in 1937; during the time he held many positions: PE Instructor, Chapel Director, University Physician before retiring as Athletic Director. He coached the JayHawks for nine years compiling a 55-60 record with only two winning seasons. He coached the late, great Phog Allen who went onto build the Kansas baskety ball dynasty. Dr. Allen coached Adolph Rupp, Dean Smith, Ralph Miller. So one can see the relationship be the Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina dynasties. He also coached Wilt Chamberlin during his two years at Kansas.

My mother, and native of Linwood, Kansas, graduated for Kansas during WW2 and Phog Allen was my maternal grandmother's chiropractor way way back in the day. :D

MTD, Sr.