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Toren Tue Jun 21, 2011 04:17pm

To T or not to T
 
I was at an IAABO camp this past weekend when the following play happened during a Boys Varsity Game.

I had a team control foul on team B (specifically B2, just to paint the picture) in reaction to the call player A2 curses at B2, so I give him a technical foul for unsporting behavior. The coach asks me what he said and I tell him and he says he will handle it.
During the game I think this is exactly the way to handle the situation.

I watched the game tape of the play and I'm questioning my technical foul call. The reason I'm second guessing it, an observer would never know why player A2 got a technical. He kind of said the curse words, he didn't yell it and his body language never revealed he did anything.

Is there a better way to handle the situation? Or should I stop second guessing?

Adam Tue Jun 21, 2011 04:22pm

Don't second guess this one; especially if it was said to an opponent. Not everything is going to show up on a tape, and if you need it to, you've got bigger problems.

ontheway Tue Jun 21, 2011 05:41pm

yes dont second guess yourself if profanity is being used asses the proper penalty

deecee Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:50pm

If you were there and you heard him say something that is an instigating or intimidating action who cares what his body language showed or if the fans can't hear it.

These are the T's THAT WE HAVE to get. It's the obvious ones that don't have much potential to lead to cluster f's later in the game. The missing of ninja T situations is what leads to escalations.

twocentsworth Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:02pm

i think you're right on both counts:

1) profanity towards an opponent is an automatic T....
2) be aware of what shows up on tape and what does not...know where the camera is and keep in mind what the assignor will see if he/she watches the tape after a coach calls to complain...

tref Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:09pm

Toren, what did Lopes & Co. say about it?

Adam Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 767802)
i think you're right on both counts:

1) profanity towards an opponent is an automatic T....
2) be aware of what shows up on tape and what does not...know where the camera is and keep in mind what the assignor will see if he/she watches the tape after a coach calls to complain...

I'll go with "be aware", but not so far as to alter your calls based on what the tape will show. Be aware, I suppose, so you can be prepared to answer your assigner's questions accordingly.

IowaMike Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:11pm

I think you had a good T; I would always T up a player directing profanity towards an opponent. I've often regretted not giving a technical but have never regretted one that I have given. Most of the time we are our harshest critics so don't beat yourself up, you took care of business.

dsqrddgd909 Wed Jun 22, 2011 01:05pm

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Originally Posted by iowamike (Post 767808)
i think you had a good t; i would always t up a player directing profanity towards an opponent. i've often regretted not giving a technical but have never regretted one that i have given. most of the time we are our harshest critics so don't beat yourself up, you took care of business.

+1

Toren Wed Jun 22, 2011 04:14pm

They didn't review tapes with us. So I have no way of knowing how they would have viewed it. But I'm thinking if a coach during regular season would have made a bigger deal of the play, he could have easily argued that the technical wasn't warranted. I had nothing on tape that would have defended why I gave a technical. But I know what I heard as I was really close since I closed down on the team control call.

Toren Wed Jun 22, 2011 04:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 767803)
Toren, what did Lopes & Co. say about it?

I'm fairly new...my reply is right above tref.

Adam Wed Jun 22, 2011 04:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 767888)
They didn't review tapes with us. So I have no way of knowing how they would have viewed it. But I'm thinking if a coach during regular season would have made a bigger deal of the play, he could have easily argued that the technical wasn't warranted. I had nothing on tape that would have defended why I gave a technical. But I know what I heard as I was really close since I closed down on the team control call.

It's not the coach's decision as to what warrants a technical foul, and if your supervisors aren't willing to accept you word regarding what was said, well, then there are bigger issues at play.

tref Wed Jun 22, 2011 04:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 767891)
It's not the coach's decision as to what warrants a technical foul, and if your supervisors aren't willing to accept you word regarding what was said, well, then there are bigger issues at play.

Amen!

tref Wed Jun 22, 2011 04:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 767890)
I'm fairly new...my reply is right above tref.

Got it, thanks. Ts in a camp setting are usually discussed by the clinicians. I just thought they might've addressed it. At any rate, don't let what coaches think affect your decisions to penalize unsporting behavior. Nice job!!


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