Isn't the Tower Philosophy (advantage-disadvantage) about contact between opponents on the floor? As I recall, it isn't about "no calls" in reference to lines, violations and other rules.

You are absolutely correct.

Correct. Violations should always be penalized,but personal fouls are a matter of opinion: hence the advantage/disadvantage philosophy.

Unless you are in a middle school game and want to be done in a decent time (less than four hours) :p

Yup,and then the philosophy got extended and expanded.Examples are someone stepping over the line on a throw-in when there's no pressure,3 seconds,10 seconds on a FT shooter,unofficial warnings for "delay of game" situations,huddling before a FT,etc.

Tower Philosophy
 

Does everyone else agree with Jurassic that the Tower Philosophy has been extended to lines and violations?

I do. Sure seems that way to me.
Z

Re: Tower Philosophy
 

eckert,
I dunno.
I never read the Tower Philosophy.
If you have read it, where may I find it?
mick

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Re: Tower Philosophy
 

I say yes. I as an official and I suspect others use the term advantage/disadvantage (tower) pertaining to situations where descresion is used in making/not making a call whatever that may be (foul/violation etc). I believe the flow of the game and skill level TO A LIMITED POINT are factors in what is called out on the court.

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No, I do not agree with that assertion. If something is obvious, it needs to be called. Many times people call violations that everyone does not see or even understand. I do not think it is always about advantage/disadvantage, but to some they might precieve it that way. I think violations have be called when they are obvious, not when there is necessarily an advantage gained. Fouls have to be looked at differently, mainly because we are talking about contact. If we call all contact as fouls without considering the advantage or disadvantage of a play, we might be calling fouls all night and the game will never get a flow. Fans come to see the players play, not officials call fouls all day.

Peace

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Just to set the record straight,all I am saying is that a lot of officials ARE currently using the Tower Philosophy with regards to violations.They look to make a lot of,if not most,violation calls by advantage/disadvantage.If you disagree with that,you are saying that officials aren't using it and are going strictly by the book when it comes to calling violations-i.e.if a offensive player has a toe on a lane line,they're gonna call 3 seconds as soon as they do get to three(without any warning).

I haven't commented yet on how I call it personally.

I believe that this was a thread that Tim C. was thinking of posting the other day.Tee,that right?

Just a different point of view.
 

JR, you are missing the point.

I do not agree that you should use the Tower Principle for violations. I think you should call the obvious fouls and violations, not just the ones that you are the only one in the gym can see. Maybe doing that, there is going to be advantage, but I think you do not call a travel unless it is really there. Do not call what "looked like" a travel. Just another way to look at it. I am not saying your are wrong, just do not agree with that philosophy personally. ;)

Peace

Re: Just a different point of view.
 

Rut,
JR was asking for an observation. He wasn't judging right, wrong or indifferent.

He specifically said. "I haven't commented yet on how I call it personally."

So it's tough to disagree with a question.

mick

I need to make myself clear.
 

Mick,

I am not really disagreeing with JR, I am disagreeing with the philosophy itself for violations. I think it does not fit the same for violations, they way it does for fouls.

Sorry if I did not make that clearer.

Peace

Re: I need to make myself clear.
 

Rut,
No, praw. I sorta figgered you weren't disagreeing, but rather than guess, I thought I'd ask.

I have a feeling for the "Tower Philosophy", but what the heck is it? I've never read it. I believe it exists, but what the Hey?

Is it written?
Is it word-of-mouth?
Is it one statement?
Is it a guess?
Is it a wish?

mick