Impressive? Sure...(Newbies Heads Up!)
 

Legal?

YouTube - ‪dunk jumping off friends back‬‏

Give us Yes or No and rules citation.

Whack!

That league also has a rule against having jerseys tucked in. :p

My buddy who pointed this out to me asked me if it would be the same tech in the NBA...I said who knows?? They let you do all kinds of weird stuff in that league!

This is an illegal assist in scoring violation in the NBA rather than a T...ball goes to the opponent at the FT line extended.

Nice. I just wish they would make every rule set the same.

Not practical nor needed...different levels have different goals and end games. In reality, compared to the other rules sets, basketball is pretty similar. Football is a whole other matter. I've seen that there's up to 300 rules differences just between the NFL and NCAA...and NF does things that don't even make sense to me.

Also here's your rules citation

Rule 10, Section 3 Player Technical
A player shall not:

ART. 6...Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as:
e. Climbing on or lifting a teammate to secure greater height.

Inquiring Minds Want to Know ...
 

So? Who gets charged with the technical foul, the climber, the lifter, or both?

Who jumped on a teammate's back? That seems to answer my question. ;)

Peace

Why isn't it practical? Many of the differences that do exist have nothing to do with the different end goals of the various levels. It wouldn't be difficult to bring them all into alignment under a single body with sub-sections to differentiate where it makes sense (length of game, 3-point line distance, uniform requirements, etc.).

There is no good reason for any of the basic definitions, fouls, or violations to be any different.

Totally agree Camron. Couldn't have said it better.

While this is true, there's no compelling reason that's going to get the various councils, committees, and poohbahs to relinquish control to change rules. Some of the differences are fairly significant (backcourt, for example, between FIBA and NFHS), while others are less so ("intentional" vs "unsporting").

Time outs, for example, are simply a part of the strategy of the American game.

It's because of timeouts that you can tie 80% of NBE games at 84 and put 2:00 on the clock.

I dunno how timeouts in the NBA in the first 46 minutes help keep games close? :confused: Heck, most of the called timeouts are mandatory anyhow. I could see how being able to advance the ball under two minutes in the 4th could help a team come back, but doesn't FIBA also allow an advance?

They may be different, but there is no good reason for them to be so. Just pick one and go with it.

The biggest reason they will never merge is that none of the organizaitons would ever want to relinquish any of the control/power they currently have. Even within the NCAA, the men and women have different rules sets.....for no good reason.

back to the actual topic...
 

On this play T to the jumper is what I call but....

I would like the rule to be changed or reworded so that both players get the T. Both are culprits and should be penalized in my opinion.

Who would get the T if one player literally lifted(think cheerleading) the other player by the waist and threw him up to dunk? Still the dunker? I just think they both should be penalized but the way the rule is now I would only penalize one player.

The reality of this play is that it only happens when the game has gotten to be a joke so it really is not a problem to T up both players if you go with that call. I have seen it twice and both were in fool around middle school 'all star' games.

jmho.

Nah, that's akin to double jeopardy. (I realize I just set up Billy with a video embed.) Four free throws and the ball on one play? I don't believe that was the rule's intent.

I'd penalize the lifter. By this, you're discouraging the very act of getting on all fours, thereby nipping it in the bud.

The rule already allows for it (10-3-6e) the way it's worded. That said, the NFHS typically wants 1 T for 1 act, even if it's a group act. One is sufficient, and it gets the point across.

You have middle school all star games? Really?

If I had to guess, I'd say the dunker was the planner in most of these plays. AFAIC, just pick one; I'd pick the one who "did" the most.

1. A2 on all fours while A1 jumps off his back; I'll stick A1.
2. A2 lifts A1 with his hands, I'll stick A2.

In the end, it doesn't really matter. If I knew one had a T already, I might be inclined to give it to the other; but I wouldn't be overly concerned either way.

I don't think this is what the rulemakers wanted... however, the rules do say that it's a T to assist and it's a T to be assisted.

In general, you probably will not have one action alone since it is a collaborative act. Given that the rules specify an player technical for both halves of this type of act, I'd think that they actually are saying to penalize each with their own T.

Note, however, that the other collaborative act (locking arms to prevent an opponent from moving) is listed in the team technical section.

This is a case where I wouldn't mind whacking both players for such a stupid act. That mess ain't basketball and is usually only done in a rec type settings or when a game has gotten out of hand and players trying to make a travesty of the game.

So, you think the NBA will go to 2 20 minute halves? Or should the Fed go to 4 12 minute quarters? Maybe 6 fouls for a DQ in college? Don't tell me the trapezoid is coming!:eek:

Trapezoid was done away with in FIBA this past year...so you're safe there! :D

The only "good" reason for not merging most of the rules is the fact that no one will be willing to give up their authority. Some rules, such as timing, foul limits, and even shot clocks, could be chalked up to level of play.

Others, however, such as the significant backcourt differences between FIBA and NFHS or the timeout process, are not. Is FIBA going to change their timeout procedure, or is NFHS?

Now if the NHL could do the same....:cool:

So we'd really have two techs and four FT's here?

The rule specifically is under 10-3-6e says: "Climbing on or lifting a teammate for greater height."

I would get the guy that jumped on his back because he did not have to jump on the guys back. Then again you could get the player that is the bigger jerk. ;)

Do not complicate issues, give one T and move on. You really have an option in these cases. It is just a basic loophole in the rules as many things are.

Peace

Nope, got to do it by the book 100 percent. ;)

While I said I actually wouldn't mind getting both players on this play, in reality, I'd pick one of the players.

The one that is the biggest jerk.

Last time this situation came up, didn't somebody joke that not only would they T both players for the lift, he would also T the shooter for dunking a dead ball?

3 technicals, a disqualification...and you haven't even whacked the coach yet.

How about a fourth T...for failing to give the ball immediately to the nearest official when the whistle blows...then forfeit the game due to repeatedly committing technical foul penalties. ;)

Read my post again.....I clearly said they could have sub-sections to define different lengths of of games and such. :rolleyes:

That is the only option or you are making up the rules as you go along!!!

:p

Peace

My comment was partly an observation of games that I watch with friends. We're not too concerned with missing 2nd and 3rd quarter action, because so many games are tied (or very close to it) with 2 or less to play - which is where lots of great action is.

Yes, FIBA advances the ball under 2 minutes.