Where's my English-Spanish rule book?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

This brings up an interesting question about timeouts.....

Why do we penalize for an excessive timeout?

Sure, in the case of a live ball or with the clock running, it can provide an advantage that shouldn't be allowed. But, what about when the ball is dead and the clock is stopped. What harm or unfair advantage is there for a coach to ask for a timeout and have it denied (or let them have it if they still want it at the expense of a T)? It seems that the penalty is actually too harsh in such cases.

Thats where selective hearing comes into play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

This brings up an interesting question about timeouts.....

Why do we penalize for an excessive timeout?

Sure, in the case of a live ball or with the clock running, it can provide an advantage that shouldn't be allowed. But, what about when the ball is dead and the clock is stopped. What harm or unfair advantage is there for a coach to ask for a timeout and have it denied (or let them have it if they still want it at the expense of a T)? It seems that the penalty is actually too harsh in such cases.

Originally Posted by tref

Thats where selective hearing comes into play.

Went to a college staff camp this off-season. There was a play where there was a time-out request at about the same time the ball got tied up but T-O request definitely came first. The supervisor questioned the officials about the play and was none too happy when one of the officials said he ignored the T-O request b/c he knew that team was out of time-outs.

[tref]

Went to a college staff camp this past weekend where a guy granted an excessive t/o & whacked the coach, knowing the coach was out.
The clinician asked if the coach had been told he was out? No.
Then he asked if the table had told any of the crew? No
He then said be smart about those situations...

Different strokes 4 different folks.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Went to a college staff camp this past weekend where a guy granted an excessive t/o & whacked the coach, knowing the coach was out.
The clinician asked if the coach had been told he was out? No.
Then he asked if the table had told any of the crew? No
He then said be smart about those situations...

Different strokes 4 different folks.

Camron's post that you quoted made no mention of failing to properly inform the coach that he was out of T-O's so you are adding a bunch of kool-aid to water.

And notice, I said SUPERVISOR and you said CLINICIAN. Supervisor specifically mentioned that in a real game he would have tape sent to him the next day showing the official ignored the time-out request.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Camron's post that you quoted made no mention of failing to properly inform the coach that he was out of T-O's so you are adding a bunch of kool-aid to water.

And notice, I said SUPERVISOR and you said CLINICIAN. Supervisor specifically mentioned that in a real game he would have tape sent to him the next day showing the official ignored the time-out request.

It makes water taste better! Why do I envision a pic being posted soon? Hey Kool-Aid!!

I understand the difference in positions... the official could've simply said he didn't "hear" the request. I dont see how a tape can validate an officials hearing or lack there of

In camp settings its better to say 'I didn't see/hear it" instead of "I passed because."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

It makes water taste better! Why do I envision a pic being posted soon? Hey Kool-Aid!!

I understand the difference in positions... the official could've simply said he didn't "hear" the request. I dont see how a tape can validate an officials hearing or lack there of

In camp settings its better to say 'I didn't see/hear it" instead of "I passed because."

Hmmm. There are integrity issues at play here. Thin ice, at the least.

[tref]

Just like saving a foul or putting a foul on the defender with the least amount of fouls when more than one is at the scene of the crime. Whats viewed as good game management by some can be viewed as integrity issues by others.

Know who you're working for as well as their isms & expectations!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

It makes water taste better! Why do I envision a pic being posted soon? Hey Kool-Aid!!

I understand the difference in positions... the official could've simply said he didn't "hear" the request. I dont see how a tape can validate an officials hearing or lack there of

In camp settings its better to say 'I didn't see/hear it" instead of "I passed because."

This play was in the last 20 seconds of the game and happened right in front of the bench of the coach who was requesting the time-out. The time-out request was visible enough for the supervisor ask about it so it would have been visible on tape.