What Do You Have Here??

[NCHSAA]

Ponder this situation and post what you think the appropriate call would be:

A1 and B5 are going for a rebound under the basket. The ball is not secured and bounces to the corner of the court where both players continue to go after it. The ball is eventually picked up by another Team A player and is moved up the court to their frontcourt. Meanwhile during the struggle for the loose ball both A1 and B5 go down. The official stays with both players and sees B5 extend his leg toward A1 as both are on the ground. It was not a full kick, but was an obvious extension and B5 was looking right at A1 when it happened. Contact was made on the torso/lower side of A1. The official whistles an Intentional Foul on B5. His ruling was that he knew he missed something that happened on the rebounding action against B5 and felt an Intentional was the right call. It didn't toss B5, but sent a message that this kind of play would not be tolerated. An observer however stated that an unsporting Technical or Flagrant Personal should have been called and that he indeed missed an elbow in the back by A1 toward B5 during rebounding action.

What do you guys think here with this description?

[Mark Padgett]

Sounds like a pretty good call. HTBT to determine if it was just intentional or if it was at the level of flagrant. Someone should tell the "observer" you cannot have a technical for player-to-player contact during a live ball. As to possibly missing a previous foul - he just missed it, that's all. Nothing he can do about it now. Certainly, he shouldn't "adjust" the severity of the foul he saw based on what the reason for it might have been on something he missed.

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Sounds like a pretty good call. HTBT to determine if it was just intentional or if it was at the level of flagrant. Someone should tell the "observer" you cannot have a technical for player-to-player contact during a live ball. As to possibly missing a previous foul - he just missed it, that's all. Nothing he can do about it now. Certainly, he shouldn't "adjust" the severity of the foul he saw based on what the reason for it might have been on something he missed.

Does anyone know if you could have this in NCAA Men's? The observer is a college official

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

Does anyone know if you could have this in NCAA Men's? The observer is a college official

Same principle. You cannot have a technical foul for live ball contact.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Same principle. You cannot have a technical foul for live ball contact.

But you can have a T for unsporting conduct if there were other actions other than the contact itself that occurred....taunting/words/etc., even if there was also contact.

[Zoochy]

Swing and missing with an attempted punch and swing and missing with a leg are Flagrant Personal fouls. Thus the kick with contact could have been a Flagrant Personal. HTHBT

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

But you can have a T for unsporting conduct if there were other actions other than the contact itself that occurred....taunting/words/etc., even if there was also contact.

I don't see your point other than stating the obvious. His question concerned a player extending his leg (kicking) and making contact to an opponent.

[Adam]

From the description, the official got the call right.

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

An observer however stated that an unsporting Technical or Flagrant Personal should have been called and that he indeed missed an elbow in the back by A1 toward B5 during rebounding action.

These two cannot both even be options for the same action. Any action that qualifies for one isn't eligible for the other.