I traveled

[BktBallRef]

"Sorry young man, if I missed it, I missed it."

[Mark Padgett]

Last weekend, MS spring league, I called an OOB and a kid from the team who was going to get the throw-in came up to me and said he tipped the ball before it went OOB. I thanked him and awarded the ball to the other team. At the next break, I informed his coach and the guy went over to the kid and shook his hand.

That's what sportsmanship is all about. It was very refreshing.

[bainsey]

I'm having déjà vu. Didn't we discuss this one months ago?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I'm having déjà vu.

All over again?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I called an OOB and a kid from the team who was going to get the throw-in came up to me and said he tipped the ball before it went OOB. I thanked him and awarded the ball to the other team.

OK Mark Padgett. Riddle me this. Kid hits a three pointer at the buzzer to give his team a one point victory. Same kid immediately comes over to you and says, "Mr. Padgett. It wasn't a three pointer. My foot was actually on the line. I guess that we'll have to go into overtime."

What's your call?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

OK Mark Padgett. Riddle me this. Kid hits a three pointer at the buzzer to give his team a one point victory. Same kid immediately comes over to you and says, "Mr. Padgett. It wasn't a three pointer. My foot was actually on the line. I guess that we'll have to go into overtime."

What's your call?

My call would be to my wife to see if she wanted me to pick up dinner on the way home.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

OK Mark Padgett. Riddle me this. Kid hits a three pointer at the buzzer to give his team a one point victory. Same kid immediately comes over to you and says, "Mr. Padgett. It wasn't a three pointer. My foot was actually on the line. I guess that we'll have to go into overtime."

What's your call?

I'd say, "How do you know your feet were on the line? Shouldn't your eyes have been on the target?"

Actually, Billy, I see one key difference in your scenario.

If a player is going to say his foot was on the three-point line, I can't see a whole lot you can do about that.

Let's say a player insists the other team should have the throw-in. If you grant him the throw-in, he could take a five count or commit some violation that's going to give the ball to the other team, as he sees fit. So, I ask, why waste the time if he wants to turn it over, anyway?

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Let's say a player insists the other team should have the throw-in. If you grant him the throw-in, he could take a five count or commit some violation that's going to give the ball to the other team, as he sees fit. So, I ask, why waste the time if he wants to turn it over, anyway?

That scenario is not even realistic. Even if you decided to not listen to the kid's plea, most likely, he's not going to be the kid even throwing the ball in. If he is, and he decided to try and hold the ball for five seconds, a teammate or the coach will call timeout before a violation. And he's not going to try and violate again just due to the peer pressure of his teammates getting pissed off at him because of him trying to be altruistic. And if he just tries to blantely make a throw-in violation, that would be another reason for his teammates to get pissed off at him.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

That scenario is not even realistic.

Maybe. Some would argue that bringing an error to the ref's attention is an unrealistic, altruistic act (thereby making this whole discussion pointless in some eyes).

Ulimately, our job is to look for and deal with unfair advantages. Is a requested turnover an unfair advantage? If not, then why deny such a request?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Maybe. Some would argue that bringing an error to the ref's attention is an unrealistic, altruistic act (thereby making this whole discussion pointless in some eyes).

Ulimately, our job is to look for and deal with unfair advantages. Is a requested turnover an unfair advantage? If not, then why deny such a request?

It's not always about the play at hand.

What if the player is wrong? What if he has other motives? What if....

Sorry, but it's not always that simple; just like one of the reasons you don't go calling OOB on your partners' lines, or call traveling from the T on the endline in the C's primary.

Unless I'm in the middle of going AP because I didn't see it, the player's comments aren't changing anything.