The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 08:48am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 266
College Mechanics More Lenient?

In our HS association there is a big push for universal mechanics between the officials (Chopping clock, counting with full hand, ect.). However, with college ball would you say officials have more leniency on their mechanics?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 09:03am
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 14,223
Depends entirely on your supervisor. You need to know your audience.

Start off doing the right thing. Pay attention to what the successful officials are doing to see which variances you can get away with.
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR

Last edited by Raymond; Wed May 25, 2011 at 09:08am.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 09:04am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,183
Absolutely

They want each official to chop/count the same??
I can understand wanting everyone to stop the clock properly & no finger pointing on directional signals, but Good Luck with that other stuff!

When is the last time you've seen a NCAA-M official stop the clock on an OOB call?
__________________
I gotta new attitude!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 09:28am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 266
"Want" is the key word

Quote:
Originally Posted by tref View Post
They want each official to chop/count the same??
I can understand wanting everyone to stop the clock properly & no finger pointing on directional signals, but Good Luck with that other stuff!

When is the last time you've seen a NCAA-M official stop the clock on an OOB call?
The assignor wants to see a full hand count and chop the clock with a full hand.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 09:41am
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 14,223
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDurham View Post
The assignor wants to see a full hand count and chop the clock with a full hand.
Well, until you are in a position to NOT do what the assignor WANTS and still get games it's best to do what he wants.

I have participated in college camps where this very mechanic is very important to the supervisor and I have been to other camps where they don't give a damn if you chop at all.

Even under John Adams vision of making officiating look alike across the NCAA nation I don't think "open hand vs. 1 finger vs. 2 finger" pointing is something he cares about. That will still be a "when in Rome" type deal.
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR

Last edited by Raymond; Wed May 25, 2011 at 09:46am.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 09:57am
Esteemed Participant
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 4,775
Quote:
Originally Posted by tref View Post

When is the last time you've seen a NCAA-M official stop the clock on an OOB call?
About 6 years ago...cause that's when they changed the NCAA mechanics so that a hand up on an oob call was no longer required. It is required in NFHS games, so we should be using it when working HS ball.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 10:00am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,183
*Do I really have to walk to the parking lot & get my CCA book*
__________________
I gotta new attitude!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 10:16am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 266
Quote:
Originally Posted by tref View Post
*Do I really have to walk to the parking lot & get my CCA book*
I think you might
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 11:19am
Esteemed Participant
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 4,775
Quote:
Originally Posted by tref View Post
*Do I really have to walk to the parking lot & get my CCA book*
Go for it...hope it's not raining where you are.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 11:21am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,183
Ok & yes it is raining, but I took the shuttle.

Is OOB not a violation?
Page 74 & 75 of the Mens CCA manual...
__________________
I gotta new attitude!
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 11:23am
Lighten up, Francis.
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,412
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockyroad View Post
About 6 years ago...cause that's when they changed the NCAA mechanics so that a hand up on an oob call was no longer required. It is required in NFHS games, so we should be using it when working HS ball.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tref View Post
*Do I really have to walk to the parking lot & get my CCA book*
This is a difference between the men's and women's mechanic. Women's officials do not stop the clock on out of bounds violations. In men's mechanics, stopping the clock is still (technically) required.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 11:31am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,183
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrapper1 View Post
This is a difference between the men's and women's mechanic. Women's officials do not stop the clock on out of bounds violations. In men's mechanics, stopping the clock is still (technically) required.
Just like the blocking foul signal with closed fists is really a Womens/NBA signal & open hand is Mens/HS.

They used to tell me "closed fists is college."
Half truths used to confuse me until I began reading each rulebook for myself.
__________________
I gotta new attitude!

Last edited by tref; Wed May 25, 2011 at 11:36am.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 11:57am
APG APG is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,889
Quote:
Originally Posted by tref View Post
Just like the blocking foul signal with closed fists is really a Womens/NBA signal & open hand is Mens/HS.

They used to tell me "closed fists is college."
Half truths used to confuse me until I began reading each rulebook for myself.
You will never catch me signaling a block with hands on the hips...absolutely weak signal. I think the only person I've seen with hands on the hips at any level with any consistency is Dick Bervetta.
__________________
Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, given a chance to climb, they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions.

Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.

Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 12:14pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,183
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer View Post
You will never catch me signaling a block with hands on the hips...absolutely weak signal. I think the only person I've seen with hands on the hips at any level with any consistency is Dick Bervetta.
I hear ya, IMO one handed reporting is weak compared to two handed... I guess its all about who one works for & what their personal preferences are.
__________________
I gotta new attitude!
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 25, 2011, 12:14pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 29,945
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDurham View Post
In our HS association there is a big push for universal mechanics between the officials (Chopping clock, counting with full hand, ect.). However, with college ball would you say officials have more leniency on their mechanics?
Everything we do is supervisor or assignor driven. I watched a couple of videos from a HS organization where they showed calls and I did not see a hardly a single mechanic that was "by the book." I know that when I work college games and the people I work for, we have to use the right mechanics. Now as said I have never been asked to have my fingers in the perfect direction or the way the book shows, but we have to do all the basic things like stop the clock and chop the clock properly. I will be attending a college camp this weekend and it has always been required by the supervisor to do the proper mechanics. We watch too much TV and think that applies to everyone or that someone without the standing of those officials can get away with variations.

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Getting too lenient Scratch85 Basketball 10 Fri Jan 09, 2009 02:25pm
Woman's College Mechanics jdccpa Basketball 70 Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:44pm
How 'lenient' are you on this rule? largeone59 Baseball 18 Mon May 02, 2005 08:57am
college mechanics practice mick Basketball 7 Wed Nov 12, 2003 09:51am
college mechanics differences Ralph Stubenthal Basketball 22 Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:22am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:08pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1