Foul on Rebound Tip

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I can't remember what happened if the ball went in if the "tipper" was fouled after tipping, that is, fouled after the ball was released? Count the hoop and give a one and one if in the bonus? Count the hoop and give the ball back to the fouled team if not in the bonus? Damn, these old neurons aren't worth the gray matter that they're packed in.

Where are Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., or Jurassic Referee, when you need them?

Ball was dead on the foul since only a try/tap extended the live ball due to a foul. No basket, penalize the foul as if the tip never occurred. It was no different than a wild deflection that went in the basket after the horn sounded or a try that bounced on the floor then went in the basket.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Back in the twentieth century, when I started officiating, I believe that there was a difference between a tip and a try. If a player was fouled in the act of tipping the ball, and his team was in the bonus, then he got a one and one (no double bonus back then), if not, no free throws and his team got the ball at the closest spot to the foul. Also, I believe that there was no continuation on a tip, so if the foul occurred before the ball was released on a tip, the ball became dead, and if it went in the basket, then the goal did not count.

I'm sure that one of our "more experienced" esteemed members, or one of our very, very, very, old esteemed members, like Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., will be moseying along shortly to confirm, or deny, this assertation.

That is the way it was before the gap.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Ball was dead on the foul since only a try/tap extended the live ball due to a foul. No basket, penalize the foul as if the tip never occurred. It was no different than a wild deflection that went in the basket after the horn sounded or a try that bounced on the floor then went in the basket.

You are probably correct, but keep in mind that the language was a little different back then. Today we treat a tap the same as a try. Back then, a tap was treated differently than a try. I'm not talking about an uncontrolled tip while going after a rebound that somehow manages to go in the basket. I'm taking about a controlled tap. If the ball didn't come to rest in the tapper's hand, then it wasn't treated the same as a try.