Fell asleep me, woke up Padg
 

So, I get my first shot at assigning over the weekend! I understand too well now... tough gig!! Basically, if a team loses, they're complaining about the officials, PERIOD!


I had a 8am cancellation, so now I get to work 5/6th grade boys for 4 hours :rolleyes:
Early 1st half of the 2nd semi-final on Sunday morning.
A1s attempt hits the ring, apparently bounces straight up, hits the pole & falls in.
Team Bs coach (who I've already spoke to once) losses his mind...

I'm tableside L *WHACK!* "My time, everyone to your benches."

I ask my inexperienced partner (T) what they saw & the deer in headlights look is what I got back.
Out of all the times NOT to expand my primary! I've got nothing on the play but something just aint right :eek:

The tablecrew consisted of 1 parent from each team. They concur that the ball hit the pole. I wave off the unmeritted goal, my partner administers the FTs as I talk to the coach who had been waiting (like a 5th/6th grader) for an "explanation" of his T.

Is there rule support for that decision or am I making up rules again???

After I break the coach completely down in a very professional, non-threatening, this-is-the-way-its-gonna-be-today, type of way... it was sir this & sir that for the remainder of the contest that they won by 15+.

That by far was the most challenging play of the day for me :D

Might have been a good time to teach the coach how to deal with obvious missed calls in a game with 12 year old kids.

Trust me, he knows all about CEs & the correct way to go about rectifying it.

Can I bring the table in for help on this play, by rule?

I'm not talking about CEs, this doesn't qualify. It's simply a missed call and he obviously had a wrong expectation of how he could respond to it.

I'm honestly not sure you can. I'm more inclined to eat the miss here.

I thought "eroneously counting a score" would come into play here??
Since I whacked the coach, we had a dead ball after the mistake was recognized...

Good thing you listened to your conflict resolution, effective communication CD over breakfast :)

Could you go back and call a travel that occurred before the T if the table agreed, thus waving off a score? The ball was live, the score counts IMO.

LMAO! It was rough because he kept wanting to say his piece, it went better once he finally realized that it was a one way topic.


Makes sense. Probably why I cant find a caseplay :eek:
I always say, better to kick em in the spring than in the winter...

Let me say this, while I don't think I'd do it the way you did, the entire environment of a 5th/6th grade game is different and I might find myself doing it. Especially in your situation, with a rookie partner and an agreeable table. I just hate to reward a coach for being a knucklehead.

The important thing here, however, is that he got his well-earned T.

I would have simply told him, "coach, we may well have missed that call, but I can't call something I didn't see." From there, proceed with whatever you told him to get him to behave.

Yezzir! After several opinions on this play, I've come to the conclusion that this is an officials error & cannot be corrected in a sanctioned ballgame.

I had one last season where I was lead with about four players under the basket and my partner signaled a good three. I just saw the net move in my periphery. The opposing coach claimed it did not go in. At the next dead ball, I went to my partner and asked him what he saw. He said it went in. We moved on. At halftime, one of the varsity crew said it did NOT go in and the RIGHT thing to do would be to take away the points. I told him I couldn't do that because the time had passed. We did go to the table at half and asked them what they saw. The scorer said it did not go in and my partner, who we will call "GIGDGO", said he was not impartial. Fortunately, it was not a close game at the end and the extra 3 points for the visitors meant losing by 17 instead of 20. I did let my partner know that we could ask for help from the table and that they were on our team. What we could do with that information was up to us. Of course, it was too late to do anything about it, and all we would have been able to do was to let the home coach know we missed the call.

Been There, Done That ...
 

I may steal this for my signature line.....

Thx Billy! Sorry you had to experience that in a game that matters.
It seems as though, other than 2-3 there is no rule support for bringing the table in on those type of decisions.

Funny, I had the same play in a mens league on Monday night!
This time my gut feeling said sneak-a-peak & just as the players began to officiate that play, I was able to pick up what the T missed as he leaked out on the release.

I'm convinced now, floor mechanics are merely guidelines & experience tells us there's always an exception to the rule.

100 hrs as Padg....................
 

So tref, it is now been about 5 days since you woke up as Padg, could you tell us what life changes you have gone through ?????

I.E. loss of hair , woman staring you down in the street, getting a killer ms schedule........


Also please discuss all pros and cons by being Padg.......

Thanks,

Mullt

There is something major that he forgot in his initial post. He woke up as an impostor, I say.

Even at my age, I still have a full head of hair. The rest is pretty accurate, though. :)

Man, it was one of those "1 Day ONLY" deals! I'm back :D

Although in some of these mens leagues they act like children, fortunately, I have no youth games on my schedule!

I really love working the little kids games. They are so funny, sometimes. BTW - this coming weekend is the end of spring league. I guess after that, I'll have the time to concentrate on tending to my pet newt. I've been trying to get him to grow, but he won't get any bigger because he's "my newt".

OK - I'll get back on the meds now.

Don't go there
 

Had the exact same play in just about the exact same circumstance. Trail didn't follow the ball. Asked T what he had, he did not see the ball hit the obstruction, so the goal counted. A week later I ran into a parent I know and asked. He said it did hit on its way down. Oh well, I'm not going down the slippery slope of changing a call based on public opinion surveys.

Naturally the call affected the losing team and naturally he mouthed off to his players about the "worst reffed game I have ever seen" as he walked off to console himself over the 12 point loss.

Did you say to him, "So, then this is the first game you've ever seen?" Or, "It couldn't be the worst reffed game ever because the odds against the same game being the worst reffed ever and the worst coached ever are too great." :rolleyes:

11,408 Posts
 

Hey Padgett -

Of your 11,408 posts, what would you say the % of posts breakdown would be using the following categories.......

Useful Basketball knowledge %

Posts for Amusement purposes only %

Posts relating to your MS / Wreck Schedule %

I am sure that some of our finer posters Billly Mac / BNR / tref / APG

all have their own opinions ???????

Does this make you a jr. Padgett ?????

Aim higher my friend !!!!!!

If you don't like my posts, put me on your ignore list. Of your 104 posts, what would you say the % of posts breakdown would be using the following categories.......

Attacking posters who have been on this board since the last century %

Easy Padg !!!!!!!
 

I actually laugh at 90% of your posts. Would never put you on the ignore list.


Just trying to have a little fun !!!!!

Don't take it the wrong way !!!!!!

Hey, It's A Mark Padgett Roast ...
 

Useful Basketball knowledge % - Small percentage, but usually right on the money.
Posts for Amusement purposes only % - Very high percentage, but almost all of his posts make me laugh.
Posts relating to your MS / Wreck Schedule % - High percentage, but, hey, what's wrong with working middle school basketball, I do when I'm not working my varsity schedule.
How about overtime posts? In my opinion, even one of Mark Padgett's posts about not working overtime games is one too many.

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Sorry, but I don't subscribe to the theory that someone needs a certain number of posts before he can comment on the quality of someone else's.

Then you've never been to Potowatomie Falls.