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Old Tue Jan 14, 2003, 12:44am
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Re: Tangent (sorry, it's rather long)

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The "usability guy" in me wants to get on the soapbox about it being rather unfair to characterize players as "not paying attention," as if they are somehow misbehaving. They're doing just what the coach wants them to do--think! It's the limitation of the conscious mind that allows only one stream of thought. But I'll resist the urge.

BTW, it's that same "limitation" that allows us to focus on the game and not notice all that is going on around us off of the floor.
To be honest, the look on these poor guy's faces is what I imagine I look like when I say "Yes dear....what was that again?" Good point.
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Old Tue Jan 14, 2003, 01:12am
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To be honest, the look on these poor guy's faces is what I imagine I look like when I say "Yes dear....what was that again?" Good point.
And I thought I was the only one who did that

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Old Tue Jan 14, 2003, 07:34am
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Good advice I've received over the years:

* Players often "hear" only the last word of your statement. I've since had more success just stating "TWO" or "be ready...ONE and ONE!"

* Even though the rule has changed to allow subs only on the last FT, I still tell subs that replace players in the first two FT positions "one shot, okay?"...then state "ONE!" to everyone else. Good preventative mechanic.

Regarding Timeouts:

I actually had a HS player beleive me when I told him "The first team out of a time out gets the ball". Subsequently, he helped get his team out without delay, much to the delight and surpise of my partner!
That is too funny!
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Old Tue Jan 14, 2003, 09:16am
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I actually had a HS player beleive me when I told him "The first team out of a time out gets the ball". Subsequently, he helped get his team out without delay, much to the delight and surpise of my partner!
Yikes!!

What happens when his team is the first to break the huddle, but the other team gets the ball??
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Old Tue Jan 14, 2003, 10:16am
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These kids should've asked

Freshman boys. Partner calls foul on black team. White is in the bonus. I go to Lead to administer. As partner is walking to Trail position, he clearly says to me "1&1!" In the lane, I clearly say, "Line up men, 1&1." There is some shuffling along the lane, so I repeat "1&1, men" as I toss the ball to the white team's shooter. Naturally he clanks it off the side of the rim. I guess the players heard me say 2 shots, because no one moves, & ball is bouncing toward sideline. Black team member in lowest lane position, thinking he's being helpful, grabs ball and starts walking toward me. I did my best to not see him travel, while his parents in the stands are yelling at him to dribble. Unfortunately, I did see him throw it to me where I was standing out of bounds.
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Old Wed Jan 15, 2003, 06:36pm
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Freshman boys. Partner calls foul on black team. White is in the bonus. I go to Lead to administer. As partner is walking to Trail position, he clearly says to me "1&1!" In the lane, I clearly say, "Line up men, 1&1." There is some shuffling along the lane, so I repeat "1&1, men" as I toss the ball to the white team's shooter. Naturally he clanks it off the side of the rim. I guess the players heard me say 2 shots, because no one moves, & ball is bouncing toward sideline. Black team member in lowest lane position, thinking he's being helpful, grabs ball and starts walking toward me. I did my best to not see him travel, while his parents in the stands are yelling at him to dribble. Unfortunately, I did see him throw it to me where I was standing out of bounds.
Had a similar situation--but ball was bouncing in the lane while everyone looked at it. Finally one kid figured it out and grabbed it.
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Old Wed Jan 15, 2003, 08:59pm
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Re: Re: These kids should've asked

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Had a similar situation--but ball was bouncing in the lane while everyone looked at it. Finally one kid figured it out and grabbed it.
I had that happen in a Jr. High game.
The Coach apologized after the game and said, "I'm sorry, but my team hasn't been in the bonus all year."

Let's call those fouls in Jr.High, too.
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Old Wed Jan 15, 2003, 10:12pm
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To be honest, the look on these poor guy's faces is what I imagine I look like when I say "Yes dear....what was that again?" Good point.
And I thought I was the only one who did that

PS. I'm still trying to figure out how to work this gizmo. How do I get the really nice looking quotes with the bold text and the italicized citation (i.e., Originally posted by...)?
click the tab labelled "quote" under the post you want to....uhmmmm....quote.
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The one that kills me is after a team calls a timeout. They always come out of the timeout and ask "who's ball"?
This kills me too, b/c what the heck was the coach just talking about for the last 60 seconds?!?!

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Aha! Just as I suspected!

It's Chuck's fault!
I'm in the middle of the Carribean, enjoying the sun, miles from the nearest basketball, and I'm still taking abuse from you guys!!

At least I know where to stand as Lead during my FTs!

Now. . . As Eric Cartman might (or might not say), screw you guys. I'm going to the breakfast buffet.

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Old Thu Jan 16, 2003, 06:20am
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I'm in the middle of the Carribean, enjoying the sun, miles from the nearest basketball, and I'm still taking abuse from you guys!!

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Old Thu Jan 16, 2003, 08:16am
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Aha! Just as I suspected!

It's Chuck's fault!
I'm in the middle of the Carribean, enjoying the sun, miles from the nearest basketball, and I'm still taking abuse from you guys!!

At least I know where to stand as Lead during my FTs!

And you obviously know where to go in January. The thermometer on my deck is hovering just above zero right now.

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Now. . . As Eric Cartman might (or might not say), screw you guys. I'm going to the breakfast buffet.

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Old Thu Jan 16, 2003, 03:09pm
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In defense of the kids, you have to remember that some of these kids really dont know what the hell is going on regardless if they are on the bench or in uniform starting for a team. Many players are just beginners. Some kids have coaches who dont tell them the rules. Sometimes its pretty loud in the gym and possibly he/she didnt hear the ref signal 2 shots physically and verbally. What I found is that most of the kids are just too damn nervous on the court and really get caught up in what they are supposed to immediately after the free throw/s instead of focus on the exact situation at hand.

Believe it or not, some kids just ask just so they can talk to the ref. It sounds stupid but I used to do this as a player(i guess some of you guys are mad at me). I would ask or just repeat what the ref said in a questioning way so that he can respond to me, 1 on 1. I dont know exactly why I did this but when the ref would make eye contact with me and tell me the situation, it gave me a feeling that I knew that me and the ref were on the same page. This made me at ease for some weird reason.

Either way, the refs are the professionals and have to give some kids a little break. What may be crystal clear to some players may be completely misunderstood by others.

Refs are supposed to be on point with all situations on the court. Sometiems they are not. Same goes with the kids.

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Old Thu Jan 16, 2003, 03:49pm
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has anyone ever considered this "question" from the players as an "innocent" attmept to disconcert?

There are a couple of schools in my area that do this before every free throw attmepted by the opposition, usually from the player(s) closest to the shooter.

Just another thought.
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Old Thu Jan 16, 2003, 05:15pm
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