AAU Coaches Vs HS Coaches

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

I forgot to include your neck of the woods in my statement.


Yes all those things that I have mentioned happen at BW Complex as well.


I look foward to hearing all that stuff in a few weeks when I go down there for a camp !!!!!

When? My office is literally 5 minutes from the complex.

Check your private messages.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Go to any AAU tourney anywhere from NY to Richmond, Va. and I guarantee you will hear the following............

Heard a good one from a coach in a tourney in Fairfax last weekend.

"Hey, keep your hands off em! They're calling it tight here. We're not in PG County anymore!"

A new one for me, but, I liked it!

PS - for all you "non-locals" PG can be kind of a rough county.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Heard a good one from a coach in a tourney in Fairfax last weekend.

"Hey, keep your hands off em! They're calling it tight here. We're not in PG County anymore!"

A new one for me, but, I liked it!

PS - for all you "non-locals" PG can be kind of a rough county.

P. G County home of the following NBA "Stars"

Kevin Durant / Michael Beasley / Jarrett Jack / Delonte West

Grun - you know as well as i do they were all public school kids "from the hood"

there were no WCAC kids on that team........


Everything in PG County is "5 out" with no half court sets !!!!!!!!!!


BALLIN IN THE HOOD !!!!!!!!

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

P. G County home of the following NBA "Stars"

Kevin Durant / Michael Beasley / Jarrett Jack / Delonte West

Grun - you know as well as i do they were all public school kids "from the hood"

there were no WCAC kids on that team........


Everything in PG County is "5 out" with no half court sets !!!!!!!!!!


BALLIN IN THE HOOD !!!!!!!!

What about Ty Lawson, Nolan Smith, Jeff Green, Cunningham (forgot his first name), Sam Young...I know I'm forgetting someone.

PG county, and the DC area, produces a lot of NBA players. For the record, Durant, Lawson and I'm sure some of the others mentioned didn't go to public Schools. Durant went to Maryland Christian (I think that is the official name), Oak Hill and then Montrose Christian.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Go to any AAU tourney anywhere from NY to Richmond, Va. and I guarantee you will hear the following............


HOW LONG??? HOW LONG????? - that is AAU speak for 3 seconds.


CHEATIN REFS - every momma's calling card for the fact that her baby is gettin hosed....


YO THIS AIN'T THE LEAGUE - should be a continous motion play


AND 1 - everytime somone goes to the basket, I need a foul


RUN RUN RUN - we can't run a 1 / 2 ct set


As far as coaches boxes go.............. good luck

Proves how dumb they are. They usually are looking for a bailout and the proper whine should be "And Two".

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Go to any AAU tourney anywhere from NY to Richmond, Va. and I guarantee you will hear the following............


HOW LONG??? HOW LONG????? - that is AAU speak for 3 seconds.


CHEATIN REFS - every momma's calling card for the fact that her baby is gettin hosed....


YO THIS AIN'T THE LEAGUE - should be a continous motion play


AND 1 - everytime somone goes to the basket, I need a foul


RUN RUN RUN - we can't run a 1 / 2 ct set


As far as coaches boxes go.............. good luck

This is why I love my province's fair play policy. We're been told by our province's ED that there is zero tolerance with this BS. Zero also means Nada, Nil, and Zilch.

If some momma is yelling out "CHEATIN REF"... take care of business and toss her right away. Why someone might put up with stuff like this is beyond me.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

CHEATIN REFS - every momma's calling card for the fact that her baby is gettin hosed....

If a parent is ejected here, their child is ejected as well. Talk about cleaning things up, we rarely have a problem with parents anymore.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Even HS coaches loathe AAU coaches.

The worst coach I experienced in an AAU tourney was actually a HS coach.

I observed an AAU-only coach that was much worse, but wan't on the game. Most of the AAU coaches I've had in recent years have been decent guys.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The worst coach I experienced in an AAU tourney was actually a HS coach.

Me too. I rang him up in the AAU game. He was a relative peach in the HS games I've worked with him.

[rockyroad]

AAU tournament a few weeks ago. Boys U-17 game. One coach was an older gentleman I recognized from somewhere - turns out he was an Assistant to George Karl when with the Seattle Sonics. Other coach was a young guy - looked like he was maybe 22 or so...

Older guy was a complete class act. I absolutely blew a PC call against one of his kids and all he said was "Joey - get you butt back on defense right now."

Younger guy was a completely different story...I gave him the first T with about 2 min. to go in first half. He was 10 feet out on the court screaming at one of my partners. Said partner gave him the second T about 5 min. into the second half for laying a string of f-bombs on us. And he was winning by 15 or 16 points.

Some AAu coaches get it, and some don't.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

AAU tournament a few weeks ago. Boys U-17 game. One coach was an older gentleman I recognized from somewhere - turns out he was an Assistant to George Karl when with the Seattle Sonics. Other coach was a young guy - looked like he was maybe 22 or so...

Older guy was a complete class act. I absolutely blew a PC call against one of his kids and all he said was "Joey - get you butt back on defense right now."

Younger guy was a completely different story...I gave him the first T with about 2 min. to go in first half. He was 10 feet out on the court screaming at one of my partners. Said partner gave him the second T about 5 min. into the second half for laying a string of f-bombs on us. And he was winning by 15 or 16 points.

Some AAu coaches get it, and some don't.

Sounds like he got it. Attaboy.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The worst coach I experienced in an AAU tourney was actually a HS coach.

I observed an AAU-only coach that was much worse, but wan't on the game. Most of the AAU coaches I've had in recent years have been decent guys.

Exactly.

Because AAU has gotten more competitive and organized almost every year, many AAU coaches are also high school assistants or head coaches, many at winning schools. And overall, the quality of AAU coaches in general has gotten better in terms of knowing and teaching the game.

As for their behavior that is a complete result of the setting as others have stated. They are less accountable and have less to lose in most AAU settings. So the same coach could be much more of a problem during the summer than he is in the winter.

In top level AAU settings you will find the overall coaching behavior similar to high school. This is because at this level, they are coaching future D-1 players, and a lot of AAU coaches are now getting college jobs. So they have a lot to lose and behave accordingly.

It is the rest of AAU where the overall atmosphere can be more challenging for an official. The coaches can be worse BUT the biggest problem, by far IMO, is the fans. They are louder, more ignorant, and even more blinded by their bias than fans during the scholastic season. And like the coaches, it's often the same fans but their behavior is much worse. And they are often crammed right by the court because of the setting.

It's all about the setting.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Exactly.

Because AAU has gotten more competitive and organized almost every year, many AAU coaches are also high school assistants or head coaches, many at winning schools. And overall, the quality of AAU coaches in general has gotten better in terms of knowing and teaching the game.

As for their behavior that is a complete result of the setting as others have stated. They are less accountable and have less to lose in most AAU settings. So the same coach could be much more of a problem during the summer than he is in the winter.

In top level AAU settings you will find the overall coaching behavior similar to high school. This is because at this level, they are coaching future D-1 players, and a lot of AAU coaches are now getting college jobs. So they have a lot to lose and behave accordingly.

It is the rest of AAU where the overall atmosphere can be more challenging for an official. The coaches can be worse BUT the biggest problem, by far IMO, is the fans. They are louder, more ignorant, and even more blinded by their bias than fans during the scholastic season. And like the coaches, it's often the same fans but their behavior is much worse. And they are often crammed right by the court because of the setting.

It's all about the setting.

You are exactly right the higher the level the better they likely will behave. But as I said, the main reason AAU coaches act that way is because many of the tournament directors control the conduct and they often are being paid by the AAU teams to participate. Those TD do not want to lose money or prestige if they get rid of a coach or their fans for bad behavior. If you have a TD that does not put up with that kind of behavior or understands the value in having good officials work their tournament (which might include an evaluation camp), then a lot of that behavior will continue. When I have had these tournaments while attending a camp, there seems to be a very good understanding of between the persons that run the camp and the TD. Also depending on the tournament there might be some high profile coaches and programs around and their conduct could affect other opportunities including their kids that are being observed.

Peace

[Mark Padgett]

Years ago, while training a HS girl and a HS boy to ref in our local kids ref league, we had a third grade boys coach show up for his first game in a three piece suit and a "Pat Riley" haircut holding a clipboard with magnetic pieces on it. Yeah - I said third grade. I was standing next to the table advising the two refs. The boy was in his second year with us and the girl was in her first. In fact, it was her first game ever. The guy was kind of a jerk from the get-go. About three minutes into the game, he threw up his hands and screamed about a call she made (which was an absolutely correct call, BTW). She gave him the stop sign and told him to sit down (our league has no coaching box and coaches may stand only to request a timeout). He told her he'd "sit down when he was good and ready to and not before". She looked over at me. I nodded. She teed him up. He screamed "TECHNICAL!?!?!?" at the top of his lungs and threw his clipboard down. She looked at me again and I nodded again. WHACK - he gone. I had to step in and get him to leave. She then came over and asked me if she did the right thing. It was all I could do to not lean over and give her a great big hug. She stayed with our organization through her HS years but left after that, unfortunately.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The worst coach I experienced in an AAU tourney was actually a HS coach.

I observed an AAU-only coach that was much worse, but wan't on the game. Most of the AAU coaches I've had in recent years have been decent guys.

There are rules here that prohibit HS coaches from coaching AAU teams. For that reason, I see a lot of wannabes, not professional coaches.

HS coaches loathe AAU coaches for the facts that:
1- Most are more focused on indivduals than actual team basketball.
2- They teach principles that are contrary to what most HS coaches coach.
3- They attempt to recruit kids to different high schools.

I will agree that AAU coaching has improved over what it was 10 years ago. However, I still see a real knucklehead more often in AAU then in HS ball.