I had this one last week in a JV game. The ball went out-of-bounds right in front of the table, and Coach A requests a TO, which I granted. I go to the reporting area to give the info to the table, ask the coach if it's a full or a 30, etc. Then I retrieve the ball, and get ready to take the spot where the ball will come back in for the throw-in, but if I do, I'm right in front of the table, and my partner would be at half-court, either behind the circle for a full TO or in front of it for a 30. Where should I go on this play? I certainly don't want to be on the sideline between the two huddles.

I'm wondering...where do you stand on a timeout normally?

30 secs=top of key above 3-pt line
full= blocks

I would ask you assignor/supervisor. This sort of thing may be really important to him/her.

I would not stand between the huddles. I would go to center court and my P should be at the top of the key, 3-point line, in the lead position.

Where to stand
 

In a situation like that just back up onto the court away from the table to just in front of the center circle facing the throw in spot while holding the ball. You may be near your partner but that's OK. You can do a quick game reset while observing both benches. When the huddles break just stride to the spot for the throw in.

This is not the NF mechanic...it changed last year.

But it is the TASO mechanic

That's great for the TASO refs out there, but if we start representing mechanics as NF approved when they aren't, we will get a lot of confused refs out there. I noticed that kmref is from NY state and they may also use the old mechanic (which, BTW I like a lot better), but that is not the NF mechanic.

massref has it right. Get onto the court in front of the center circle. The purpose of standing where the ball will come in is to communicate to the coaches where it is going to happen... don't think they had any doubt in this case.

Check your mechanics manual Pg. 43, paragraph 273.
"...except when on the table side nearer the scorer or team benches, move straight out on the floor.

Where to stand
 

Sorry, it's early here in the east, but what is TASO?

Re: Where to stand
 

Texas Association of Sports Officials.

stripes,

I'm not advocating or saying that areas that are to use the NF mechanic should do anything else. I was merely pointing out that not all areas use these mechanics en-total. So, a statement that we should all use Fed mechanics could confuse a new official whose area uses something else.

Another "Regional" difference?
 

I still do not like this new mechanic. They put you right in front of the table, which in my opinion draws you in a confrontation with the coaches, which I thought they wanted us to avoid. In the 3 Person mechanic, they keep you away from the table. But then again, not a major issue for me, I hardly ever do a 2 person game.

Peace

Re: Re: Where to stand
 

Fair enough, but it has always been my understanding that the things discussed here are explained using NF (or NCAA or FIBA as it applies to the situation) as the basis for how things are to be done. An inexperienced TASO official might be confused, but in the realm of who uses the board, TASO will be the overwhelming minority. I guess the bottom line is to find out how it is done in your neck of the woods and do it that way. ;)

Re: Re: Re: Where to stand
 

Stripes,

I always find it interesting to here about what other officials do all over the country. Maybe it the TASO is a minority of sorts, but the reality is that all states to not just blindly abide by everything that the NF does. That is why it is always good to do what was suggested before, do what your assignors want you to do.

Peace

Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to stand
 

I agree that it is interesting to see what happens in different parts of the country. I just worry that if we pass things off as "the way it should be done" when it is a regional or localthing, we send the wrong message. For every poster, I am sure that there are several "lurkers" who haven't gotten up the gumption to write and are here to learn. I am worried thta there are times thatsome will get information that is correct in certain locations, but is not accepted where they are. Therefore, like Jeff said, do what the supervisor wants.

It is called the internet.
 

Stripes

Some would not even come to this board because the individuals that have little credibility are posting. It is not like the majority of individuals that post here are very well accomplished or very well respected officials all over the country. I do not see Ted Higgins or Ed Hightower posting on a regular basis. Most of us, including myself are just average Joes in the world of officiating. So you have to weed thru the information to begin with.

Peace

Position on a Time-out
 

Here is something that the Oklahoma Association started this year. On a time out you place the ball where the throw in is at and each official goes to the top of the key. After the 45 second horn (or the 20 second on a 30 second time out) you alert the team in front of you first horn and then one official goes to the ball and the other goes to mid-court. How many states use this mechanic and how do you like it??

[Edited by okieofficial on Dec 18th, 2002 at 11:41 PM]

Not in WI
 

Welcome to the forum Okie! :)

Two-whistle mechanics (in WI):

We just received a new directive from our state association (WIAA). The granting official reports the details to the table and then locates him/herself on the tableside of the intersection of the division line and the center restraining circle for a 30 second TO and the “backside” of the intersection of the division line and the center restraining circle for a 60 second TO.

The non-granting official positions him/herself at the spot of the throw-in.

Re: Another
 

The official who will administer the throw-in is in the same spot whether it's a two-person or a three-person game.

If the throw-in will be right in front of the table, the official is a few steps on the floor facing the table.

Re: Another
 

I've never had a confrontation with the coaches in this situation. I've had them ask a question or smile and crack a joke, but never had a confrontation. Must be my great presence. :-)

Z

Yes, but does the granting official then return to administer the throw-in if he granted the time-out near the endline? If you do not return, you have just made a switch as if a foul had happened. The problem is that a foul didn't happen.

Generally not.

There are two options (two-person): 1) Officials return to their prior spots (just as if a violation had occurred instead of a TO)

2) Calling official becomes off-ball; non-calling official administers the throw-in.

Neither is inherently "better"; the FED has chosen the former; many states / associations / officials choose the latter.

Our association keeps changing what they want us to do. At least, I think they do. At least, every partner I have, wants to do it differently. At least, I think they do. Sheez, listen to me, stripes, I'm confused and I'm not even moving from state to state, or from ruling body to ruling body. My solution has been, ask my partner in pre-game waht to do, and then watch carefully during the game. When I'm not sure, I think of an important question to discuss at center circle. I'll see how this goes over in my evaluations!

The reason that you are positioned in front of the table during a :30 second timeout is to administer additional time-outs if requested. I guess they thought with such a short time out many coaches may want additional time. This has never happened in a game I've officiated or attended. I like the positions that they have adapted in Oklahoma. I also am not concerned about officials switching positions during a time out.