Restart counts? (FED)
 

In another thread, the issue of "restarting counts" after timeouts came up. I thought this issue was deserving of a separate thread, so this is it.

I've had discussions with guys about changing the FED rule about restarting 10 second, 5 second and even 3 second counts (plus, I guess, shot clock counts) if the offensive team is awarded a timeout. Some of the guys think the count should restart after the inbound where it left off, while others like it the way it is. The main argument by those who want to leave it alone is that the number of timeouts is finite, and if a coach wants to "waste one" to avoid a turnover, then that's equitable.

Comments on that point?

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Mark -

I like the way it is now. If a coach has to burn time outs early in the game, then so be it.

Suspending 5 sec. counts would be completely insane !!!!!!

I don't mind it the way it is now. I say leave it alone.

I'd be in favor of a hard count for backcourt counts if there was a shot clock (though if it was a rule even w/o a shot clock I wouldn't be against it). Everything else I'm okay with how it is handled.

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It ain't broke. A coach only has 5 TOs per game, if he wants to burn them to save a violation, what's the big deal? I'm against suspending 5 second counts and 10 second counts.

The entire idea is silly, IMO.

Too problematic to change. I don't see it happening.

+1

The only one I want to see it applied to is the the backcourt count.

Resume from the unexpired portion of the count, or 5 seconds, whichever is more for:

• Offensive time-out that stops play
• Inadvertant whistle
• Defense deflects ball OOB

IMO, picking up the count where it left off after a TO is a big can of worms. Let's say the count was 7. Do we start 7 8 9 10? Or do we start 8 9 10? We will have to inform coaches which is always 'fun', considering it can be a hassle to see if they want a 'full or 30". To me it just adds another layer of 'bureacracy" (even if it is misspelled!)

Maybe we should start counting backwards. :D

do you not already?:confused::D

I only count backwards for the last 10 seconds of each quarter. :D

The whole idea of picking up a count where we left off goes against the simple concepts of team control and a dead ball.

A backcourt count starts when there's team control in the backcourt. It doesn't start during a throw-in (no control), and control ends when the ball is dead.

Once that ball is dead, whatever happened prior to that point is irrelevant. We start fresh. We don't care whether a team crossed the division line before the dead ball. That ball is dead. And from there, we start over, so you can toss that throw-in anywhere you want in-bounds. If it's controlled in the backcourt, then there it is. Start counting.

Concepts can have exceptions. We already have a major one to that concept with the shot clock. The 10-second backcourt count isn't some sort of sacred cow. You don't even have one in games played under NCAA-W rules. It's not like asking to raise the basket to 11'.

Sure they have exceptions, but if we go to that, would we then not allow a front court throwin to be thrown into the BC? Again, I see this as the proverbial solution in search of a problem.

I don't think the 2 have to be intertwined. Apples and oranges IMO.

I think you could find ample enough folks who think it is a problem for a team to get 10 additional seconds to cross midcourt just because they called a time-out.

I don't know, BNR. If by "folks," you mean fans, then I think this doesn't make their radars. (I say the number one fans' desired change is a national shot clock.) If you mean coaches, maybe, but my best guess is most are indifferent to this. If you mean officials, then I doubt it, as it's just another thing we'd have to think about, and most of us would say we have enough as it is.

Getting back to the shot clock, a backcourt-count rule change would be far more easily enforced if there were a shot clock nationwide. If you get a shot clock first, then I think we could make this change more effectively.

In FIBA, the backcourt count is not reset on an OOB or held ball where the offence retains possession. FIBA also only allows 8 seconds to advance the ball over half.


I don't have a problem with keeping the back court count, but a 5 second or 3 second count being suspended by a time out is foolish to me.

Instead of worrying about back court counts, how about a shot clock instead? I really like the lack of a back court count and the shot clock in the college women's game.

Now what do you think the odds are that CMB will want to spend the money on a shot clock set up?

With their rich alumni? I'd say it would be easy to get the funds. :D The 4A girls coaches across the state were talking about using a shot clock experimentally, but it never came to be unfortunately.

I know one alumnus would who wouldn't contribute to such a purchase. :D

Cheapskate!!!

Is that 10 seconds in metric? BTW - did you know that France was the first country to adopt the metric system? Figures.

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