New Rule Survey
 

Ok, here's my second try at the poll question. Vote for as many as you think are warranted.

Hey, it worked!!

I'm gonna take a poll as to whether or not I like the wording of these questions! ;)

Sorry about the wording on some of the choices. The site only allows a certain number of characters in each possible answer.

I'm curious why some people would NOT be in favor of playing in halves by state adoption? :confused:

Isn't that done already?

<s>Nice poll Scrappy.</s>

Good idea, Scrappy.

I neglected to mention that these are among the actual rule proposals that will be discussed and voted on by the NFHS Rules Committee in a couple weeks. They're not just things I'm suggesting. (I had mentioned this in the original thread, but i messed up the poll part, so I had to start over and forgot to put it back in.)

Any discussion of the merit of these proposals is welcome and won't hurt my feelings :)

So, what rule changes are being voted on?

The proposals in the poll in this thread will be voted on by the Rules Committee. Sorry if I was unclear about that.

As one who did not vote for it, I just don't think it's necessary or even helpful. In the end, I really wouldn't care either way; I'm just not a fan of change for the sake of change, and that's how I see that one.

I vote for 2:

1. allowing the sleeves as long as they conform to the same restrictions as wrist and head bands.
2. TC on a throw-in. How they word it doesn't matter to me, as long as the rule is made similar to the NCAA. First, it would mean fewer confused officials when they come down from college. Second, it would be more consistent with the intent of the TCF rule.

Three are on my list: Team control on T/I's, Shooting sleave color and playing halves instead of quarters.

Agree....it is a solution in search of a problem.
Likewise on both.

Plus, I like the idea of allowing a few moments (20 seconds, for example) to remedy a blood situation. It just doesn't seem right that a player has to leave the game (or call a timeout) if someone else's blood gets on them.

I can go with that, too. I like the idea. I was thinking of this as adding more burden rather than granting the team an "escape route," so to speak.

Guess we'll have to wait again for delayed return after a throw-in to be a violation instead of a T.:mad:

Shooting sleeve rule as is is farcical. We KNOW it is not for medical reasons.

Agreed on both.

It seems the kids are really encouraged to lie on this. Either require docs, or just let it go and regulate the colors. I'd rather see the rule make them conform to T-shirt standards, but I'd be ok with head/wrist band standards.

I'm sure the manufacturers have poured in money to the coffers of the Fed, so they won't get banned. They look dorky and I'm sure they don't increase FT percentages.

Clock stops on a successful field goal a minute remains in the 4th quarter or OT.

I can imagine the number of timing errors happening cause of this during the first year or two of implementation.

I whole-heartedly agree that the game needs to be played in halves instead of quarters, as the game seems to go faster.

Shocked, I tell ya. Shocked I am?!
 

Tendonitis Ref..... :rolleyes:

I was thinking about the same thing. Like the shot clock, I'm just not convinced it is something needed at the high school level. Besides, it seems to me that the Fed (in several sports) has been reluctant to implement rules that are only in effect at certain times of the game. Different sport, but The Fed has also resisted adopting any kind of rules that the NFL and NCAA Football have for timing in the last two minutes of the half, I would be surprised if they deviated from that here.

I think it penalizes the team in the lead. It will NOT stop fouling. It actually gives the team behind MORE chances to foul after they make a basket late in the game.

I do not have any issue with the rules as written, so the only one in the poll I'd like to see is AT LEAST a 20 second interval to rectify a blood incident. Why penalize a A1 for needing a clean up and a band aid because of a B2 foul? I have to burn a TO now. We get that courtesy on a foul out....

One thing NOT on the poll that I'd like to see is ending lane participant restrictions when the ball hits the rim/backboard on the last FT attempt. Make it on the release like NCAA. Maybe next year.......:(

Although I support the 20 second interval, I cannot imagine a player having time to leave the visual confines and change jerseys and be back ready to play in 20 seconds. Rare to see the same jersey remain in the game.

I see Coach P's point though, if the jersey is clean.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. The rules should not change just because we're in some arbitrary time frame.

What really is the point of stopping the clock after the made basket anyway? I think it's so that the team that is ahead can't hold the ball out of bounds while the clock runs out to end the game. If that's the case, why don't we just make the rule to stop the clock on a made basket in the last 5 seconds of the game?

What makes those seconds after a made basket so much more precious in the last 60 seconds than in the previous 31 minutes? Dumb rule, IMHO, at all levels.

IMO, it helps also with officials that count slow and where they allow the team time for the thrower to get the ball and go out of bounds. Some officials 5 second count actually takes 10 seconds and if they don't start the count when the ball is at the disposal (winning team takes their sweet time to get the ball and go out of bounds) then a total of 15 seconds or more can run off the clock! (I've witnessed this actually take place) :(

I am sure that Scrappy's point occurs far more times than the scenario you just outlined. If a guy is taking twice the time on his count, he ain't moving up the ladder anytime soon.

What I'm meaning is for those timers that do only HS or lower games where the rule is not in effect, it would take some time for them to get used to the rule. Also what action would cause the clock to stop, the ball through the net?

At least not wanting to adopt NBE Rules where the clock stops after every made basket in the last 2 minutes of the 4th Qtr. or OT.

Concerning the shot clock, the games can be higher scoring but can also be lower scoring depending on the offensive/defensive strategies of the teams, it does seem to make the game tempo faster.

It's all in the eye of the beholder.

I know exactly what you meant. I see timers screw up the high school clock as it is now enough to know this is going to get really screwed up at first. I'm sure it would get better eventually but there would be some serious growing pains first.

Thankfully during the JUCO Tournament, there was not much scoring happening in the last minutes of the games where I was timer, although at the times a score did happen, I was spot on on getting the clock stopped/started.

As with anything new, there's always gonna be growing pains.

I really doubt there would be too much of an issue of stopping the clock under a minute. I've worked rec leagues that stop the clock on made baskets under a minute where the timers are usually parent volunteers, and there's hardly and issues with it at all...the main thing I notice is officials have to be more aware of the clock in case there are issues. The first couple of games and early season tournaments there might be issues, but I think that would pass by conference ball.

It's just a wait & see approach if that does pass to see what does happen.

It's a moot point anyways as I see the Fed quashing this one before it gets much further. It would be a far departure from their traditional stance on things.

I am a bald old geezer and need a rest period at the mid-point of each half. Come to think of it I could use one at the mid-point of each quarter. :D

MTD, Sr.

Like Hat Sizes ...
 

New rule idea: Game is to be played in eighths.

Thanks to everybody for voting. I find it very interesting that only one of the proposals has more than a 50% approval, and it's only a state adoption, not even an "across the board" change.

Maybe this year, we'll actually get NO changes! :D

We got a bet here.........
 

Nevada can probably find you a line on this one...... ;)

As far as instituting team control during the throw-in, what changes would this make to the game other than teams not being able to inbound into the back court from front court and having offensive fouls during a throw-in be non shooting? Can you guys come up with any more?

I believe the NCAA made an exception to either the TC rule or the backcourt rule to allow for the throw-in to go to the backcourt.

An additional effect is that if a throw-in is tipped, but not controlled, there will be TC in the case of a stoppage requiring POI.

You can throw into the backcourt in NCAA even though there is TC.

3-seconds.

Yep, because the FC is defined by the IB playing court, OOB is neither FC or BC for either team.

I will hear that call this coming weekend.