2011 NCAAW Sweet 16
 

To talk about this week's action

UConn v Georgetown - Huskies and the points!

Duke v Depaul - I am going upsets as the Demons rebel against the Devils!

UT v OSU - Two Words: Pat Summit

Okla v ND - Going with another upset for Boomer Sooner Land

Stan v UNC - Hopefully the ACC can pull one out here and I think the Cardinal may be looking ahead

Gonz v L'ville - The closest thing to the Cinderella match up on the women's side. I'm going GONZO

Bay v GB - Thank you for playing Green Bay. Now if you were the Packers....

UGA v T A/M - I have a push on this one. BUT I think UGA plays in a tougher conference so I will go that way.

I would have posted point spreads, but this is a family forum!

If you've not seen Courtney Vandersloot play, you're missing the only NCAA player ever to reach 2,000 points and 1,000 assists...men or women.

John Stockton has been mentoring her and you certainly see his game (or some say Steve Nash) in hers.

2011 Women's NCAA Tournament: Gonzaga's Courtney Vandersloot Becomes First to 2,000 Points, 1,000 Assists - The Daily Fix - WSJ

officials tracker
 

officials for the remaining ncaa-w, wnit and wbi games will be tracked at Philadelphia Basketball Referee - College Women Postseaon . officials and results for prior games are already posted with search capability.

JudTech,

Have you seen Texas AM play this year...this game will probably be a 15-20 point win by A&M...not to mention the game is being played in Dallas.

Right now in NCAAW basketball the Big 12 is much tougher than the SEC top to bottom.

Even though Louisville is ranked slighty higher (7 vs 11), since they're playing in Gonzaga's home town, Gonzaga is probably the favorite, but I wouldn't count Louisville out. Shoni Schimmel has been on fire, and if she can keep it up, they'll give Gonzaga everything they can handle & maybe more.

I think this one's really too close to call, but I'm picking Louisville.

Again?
 

OSU vs Tenn. ~ 8:00 left in the first half, NC up by a few and scores. Tenn is inbounding the ball w/ no pressure in the backcourt. TWEEEEET!

The T calls the Tenn inbounder for stepping on the court prior to releasing the ball!

Pat Summit went from :eek: to :( . But, I didn't see her go to :mad:

And the booth conversation went typically something like this - Ooh, that was close. Ooh, even on the replay. Yeah, that happens quite a bit. You don't see that called a lot though. Yeah, sometimes officials just let it go.

You mean Ohio St?

Yeah, it was OSU. I fixed it.

Thanks BNR (aka - Mr Wrong Team Picker on Fellow Poster Guy (MWTPFPG)) ;)

Looks Like I was a little off on the ND call!

You gotta love Pat Summits half time inspirational pep talk. "Sick to my stomach" and her traditional stare downs. Most would wilt if she was in there face.

As expected by many, Gonzaga rides the home town advantage to a third tourney win. When will NCAAW reach the level at which it can prevent this injustice?

Duke and UNC have done it for years: Greensboro, Winston-Salem, Charlotte, Raleigh.

All defacto home games.

But typically earned by virtue of having the higher seed. I don't think Nevada would have been as upset if the Zags were the higher seed in this game.

Ya Gotta Play 40!
 

Georgetown played UConn very, very well, but could only manage ~ 32 minutes of excellent ball. Good ball game.

I think I even saw Geno sweat. No, really! ;)

Injustice??

Seriously?

You honestly believe that this rises to the level of an injustice?

Wow...like I stated before, the NCAA will site these games where they KNOW they can draw a good crowd. Spokane has been good them before and is doing so again. Place has sold out (or close to it) for all of the games.

If you are wondering why, then you have never been to Spokane before. There ain't much else to do there.

Nevada didn't write that he couldn't understand why this happened, he wrote that the circumstance was unjust. And I completely agree with him. Gonzaga got to play home games at a regional. And not just a de facto home game or games, a la Baylor's men at the 2010 South Regional in Houston. No, we're talking the actual home court. If you're Louisville, you have to wonder why they didn't just drop the pretense and let Gonzaga wear the whites.

On the men's side, this is strictly prohibited. Seeding and bracketing would be turned upside down before this were allowed to happen. But on the women's side it's allowed, for purely market reasons.

All of which brings us back to Nevada's original question: when will the women's game get to the point at which this doesn't happen? My guess is that it won't ever happen. The women's basketball committee may be making the right decision in the short run to allow situations like the above to continue to happen, but in the long run what the sport needs is to be taken seriously by a broader audience. And allowing situations like the one above doesn't help.

I tried watching some of ND/Tenn but Dayton has absolutely the worst camera positions. Probably why I never watch the play-in games.

They do it to protect the production equipment from Pat Summit's STARE!!!

Looks like I missed on the A and M / UGA game, by a whisker!! They must have still been in awe of Hershel Walker!

Nikki Caldwell, how YOU doin :cool:

This is almost unwatchable.

I might watch a Final Four game if Baylor plays UConn.

Oooh, Pat's cranky.

Very! The play with the T...did anyone have a double foul there?

Ya suppose Pat is "Sick to her stomach"now! I still like her though. A great all time coach.

I actually had the channel tuned in when this play occurred. If I remember correctly the defender pulled the offensive player to the ground as she herself was losing balance. Looked like a solid call to me. Now if you want to maybe say give the defender a T for her little push that preceded the response from the Tennessee player, then I would have no problem with that.

I liked the calls all through the play. The original foul on the ND player and then the unsporting T on the Tennessee player for getting in the ND player's face and screaming. I have no problem with the ND player pushing the Tennessee player since she was laying on top of her.

I had no problem with the pass on it either...The Tennessee player took that little push and went DEFCOM 1 on the ND player. Tennessee coach was NOT a fan of that call haha

I saw the clip and the Tennessee player was no longer on top of the ND player -- she was hovering over her. I could see a double technical, but like the single technical that was actually called.

All you doubters......
 

And for those of you who said the #1 seeds always win. See there, Tenn fell before the Final Four - Rare, but hey, it happens! ;)

Associated Press
SPOKANE, Wash. -- Facing a deafening, unfriendly crowd in a hostile -- and perhaps unfair -- setting, along with the little blonde point guard who had yet to be stopped, the Stanford Cardinal emphatically showed they're still the powers of the West Coast.

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So I'm clearly not the only one who feels that this isn't proper.

Naw, but you're also clearly one of the few that care. :D

Btw, when was the last time that a D1 Mens PG was identified as being "the little blonde"?

I just looked it up.....
 

1964! ;)

I don't know that Rocky would say it was fair; but that it perhaps doesn't rise to the level of "injustice." Maybe his threshold for that term is a bit higher.

Gail Goodrich?

or Lynn Shackleford?

Funny, both my guesses have "girl" names. :D

Correct...I never said I agreed with the practice. I did explain the financial reasoning behind it. And to claim that it rises to the level of an "injustice" is just ridiculous.

The argument behind it seems to be that Gonzaga was a lower seed than Louisville. But then the Zags went out and thumped Louisville...so maybe it is the seeding process that is out of whack. Stanford went out and proved they were the better team and is moving on.

Anyone catch Pat Summit's interview in the hallway following the game. Wow! I can't remember the last time I heard a Coach throw their players under the bus that badly following a loss...

They deserved it.

Because Stanford has never hosted the NCAA tournament on their home floor...give me a break. Spokane will host in the future because it was a FULL HOUSE!!!

It didn't look like a Pat Summit coached team...that is for sure.

Ok, so the NCAAW's tournament will end up with three #1s and a #2 in the Final Four. :p

+1

Not exactly VCU over KU, or Butler over Florida.

UConn is up 30 with under 5 minutes left and Geno puts Maya Moore back into the game! She left a few minutes ago after banging her knee into an opponent.
What does this tell us? That Geno is an idiot. :eek:

Gee, I thought he was a genius.... :rolleyes:

After all, he broke John Wooden's record.

Ended up being two 1s and two 2s as Baylor was not able to beat A&M for the fourth time this season.

BTW how foolish is it to set up a bracket with a #1 and a #2 seed in a Regional from the same conference? It would seem to make sense to switch the #2 with one of the #2s from another Regional.

Ya see, parity! ;)

Foolish or really really smart? Two teams from the same conference and the same state playing in Dallas in front of a sold out arena...foolish or smart?

ESPN reports the attendance as 11,508. Let's say that the ticket price was $100. I know that the men's tickets were $90, so I am clearly high here, but it will help prove the point.

That is $100 x 11,508 for a total gate of $1,150,800.

The site gets the concessions, so the NCAA has to pay the facility rental and the people who staff the game, plus the money which is given to each school for participating out of the above.

After that really how much is left as profit? Does it really matter if 10,000 or 5,000 or 2,000 people are at the game? (I know that on the mens side if only 5,000 seats were available more demand would be created and it would be easy to double the ticket price, thus generating the same revenue. Would the case be the same for the women? Not sure.)

My point: I seriously doubt that the NCAA is making money from the on-site attendance. I contend that the major revenue stream comes from the TV contract. Compared to that the on-site money is a drop in the bucket.

(Just saw the USA article today with this quote: "But as the NCAA basketball tournament's Final Four gathers here this week — capping a three-week showcase that generates more than $771 million a year in television rights alone..."
Source: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...terstitialskip)

Yet another reason why the NCAA sites these games at places where they know they will be able to sell a lot of tickets...at least this way they do make some money, rather than losing money at neutral sites.

Yep, and I highly doubt they're making $771 million on TV contracts for the women's tournament.

Perception Too?
 

Even for the men's early tourney, afternoon games, there were very few people in the seats in some arenas.

It is also about the building being full for TV!

Part of that is due to the fact that tickets were sold in blocks and some fans leave when their game is over....or don't arrive until thier game begins.

Other issues I heard mentioned for some games is that they cleared the arena between the first pair of games and the 2nd pair of games but had little time to admit everyone for the 2nd sessions. They scheduled the sessions too close together. Some games started with nearly empty seats and slowly filled up as they got people through.

Camron - while these are nice "alibis" and "excuses" and I concur to a point, I would also opine that having games in the middle of the day, far from home, in large arenas, between non-local teams that no one really knows about, don't generate a lot of excitement and therefore show lackluster attendance - boys or girls (and girls is obviously much worse).

True. I would bet it wouldn't be more then $758 million !

There are lines for the Women's games in the Final Four this season.

Stanford is favored by 5 and UConn is favored by 7.5

To me, this would be like betting on the Pro Bowl.

I don't even understand that comment, but it's still funny.

I was sitting in the Madison airport a few years ago awaiting a flight, drinking a beer at the Great Dane brewery. Day of the Pro Bowl. Guy comes in, clearly agitated. He asks me what the score of the Pro Bowl is. My response, "Who cares?" The bar doesn't even have the game on TV.

He then tells me he has a series of bets on them, so he cares. I laugh out loud at him.

A series of bets on the Pro Bowl. The word addiction comes to mind.

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