Tennessee fires Bruce Pearl

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

As you know I am a big Michigan fan and I do not get upset at anyone for what happened with the Fab 5. And it appears that what Michigan and even Webber was accused of was not as cut and dry as many wanted to make it.

It wasn't cut and dried? Do you know something we don't know? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Webber get fined through the legal system for those loans, also get suspended by the NBA for them, get his 1993 All-American honors removed and ordered not to associate with the Michigan program until 2013? Not to mention having Michigan's records removed completely from the 1992 & 93 Final Fours?

None of that happened?

Note I didn't even mention recent Michigan football.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It wasn't cut and dried? Do you know something we don't know? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Webber get fined through the legal system for those loans, also get suspended by the NBA for them, get his 1993 All-American honors removed and ordered not to associate with the Michigan program until 2013? Not to mention having Michigan's records removed completely from the 1992 & 93 Final Fours?

None of that happened?

You obviously do not understand the point I was making. If you watched the ESPN Documentary that premiered over a week ago about the "Fab 5" you would have seen that the participants and even those that covered the team and the program are not totally convinced that Weber took money while at school. And according to Jalen Rose, who lived in the same community of Weber and Martin said that much of the accusations directed toward Martin were not associated with the Michigan program. Rose made it clear that Martin did things for kids throughout the community and not just players that went to a particular school or even were college players. And reporter Mitch Album (sp?) that was close to the situation claimed that if Webber was getting money while at Michigan, he sure was hiding it very well with the car he drove and the clothes he had on his back or the place he lived. So the issues do not seem cut and dry to those that witnessed the events. Album's assertion is that Weber left school after his sophomore year because he was not getting and benefit to what he and his teammates were bringing to the school and Nike specifically.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Note I didn't even mention recent Michigan football.

And this means what? You can mention it all you like and the reason that coach is now gone. I doubt seriously that anyone in 5 years will be complaining about what happen as the reason the program is up or down. What happened with Pearl was over 20 years ago. If Rich Rod lost another job I can tell you I would be surprised that anyone at Michigan would care or hope that it happens. Illini fans are not only mad that the program is where it is today, but they claim to still be mad that a certain coach never got the job as if the investigation is the only reason that coach ended up at UIC. I am not assuming this, I have asked many for what they think and it seems to come back to what happen a long time ago when this coach is brought up. It does not have to be all that feel this way, but the ones that believe this are very vocal.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You obviously do not understand the point I was making. If you watched the ESPN Documentary that premiered over a week ago about the "Fab 5" you would have seen that the participants and even those that covered the team and the program are not totally convinced that Weber took money while at school. And according to Jalen Rose, who lived in the same community of Weber and Martin said that much of the accusations directed toward Martin were not associated with the Michigan program. Rose made it clear that Martin did things for kids throughout the community and not just players that went to a particular school or even were college players. And reporter Mitch Album (sp?) that was close to the situation claimed that if Webber was getting money while at Michigan, he sure was hiding it very well with the car he drove and the clothes he had on his back or the place he lived. So the issues do not seem cut and dry to those that witnessed the events. Album's assertion is that Weber left school after his sophomore year because he was not getting and benefit to what he and his teammates were bringing to the school and Nike specifically.

Jalen Rose is a trusted source? Jalen Rose? THE Jalen Rose?

Bu-wa-ha-ha-ha.....

Again, are you freaking serious? By his own admission, Webber started taking money when he was in junior high school. The MHSAA wanted to expunge all his high school records too, but Webber's high school refused to do it and the MHSAA didn't have the power to do it themselves.

Soooooo, Webber admitted himself that he took money but others think he was lying. Got it.

Webber was charged with lying to a Grand Jury. He pleaded guilty and was fined $100,000. Yup, he pled "guilty". Whatinthehell is more convincing than pleading guilty?

Maybe you should check some facts, Jeff, before getting on your high horse. Google is your friend.

Chris Webber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's just one source.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Jalen Rose is a trusted source? Jalen Rose? THE Jalen Rose?

Bu-wa-ha-ha-ha.....

Yes, he was there. Were you or I there? Oh, and a reporter was there too and talked about the situation as well.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Again, are you freaking serious? By his own admission, Webber started taking money when he was in junior high school. The MHSAA wanted to expunge all his high school records too, but Webber's high school refused to do it and the MHSAA didn't have the power to do it themselves.

And this means what? Again if you paid attention the reports the kid played in the gutter of Detroit. Not sure what he benefitted from while in HS.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Soooooo, Webber admitted himself that he took money but others think he was lying. Got it.

Webber was charged with lying to a Grand Jury. He pleaded guilty and was fined $100,000. Yup, he pled "guilty". Whatinthehell is more convincing than pleading guilty?

Maybe you should check some facts, Jeff, before getting on your high horse. Google is your friend.

When did I say anything about what Webber did or did not admit to? I said reports were scratchy as to when he took money and the circumstances. And that Grand Jury was about Martin and his finances, not just about athletes. And the man died before anything was solved.

I am fully aware of the charges and what he was accused of lying to a Grand Jury, not doing anything else wrong legally. I am fully aware of what was reported. And know you want to us Google as a trusted source when anyone can put up things. I would trust the people that cover the team or were around than Wikipedia for God's sake. You make it sound like everyone agrees with the rules of the NCAA and things those kids have to be expected to do. Not every situation is about being an athlete and benefitting from such things.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And know you want to us Google as a trusted source when anyone can put up things.

A conviction on Webber's record for lying isn't a trusted source? An admission by Webber that he was getting money from a numbers operator and money launderer from the time he was in junior high school isn't either? But your personal idea of what actually happened ....even though it's contrary to the written record and can't be proven in any way.....is what happened?

Got it.

The man is a saint.

I'm done. And note I didn't make my point either. History did that for me.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It does not have to be all that feel this way, but the ones that believe this are very vocal.

I don't disagree here. However, just because they're vocal doesn't mean they're the majority. Just ask a union member.