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Nevadaref Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:23pm

2011 NCAA Womens Tournament discussion
 
My first comment:
#3 UCLA AT #11 Gonzaga. :confused: Until this is fixed we can't take the womens tournament seriously. What a shame.

jalons Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:34pm

The announcers also stated that Gonzaga finished the season ranked #19 in the country, yet they are an 11-seed.

And the men's committee was taking heat....

JRutledge Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:37pm

Obviously no one cares or they would not need to seed and play under these circumstances.

Peace

ODJ Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:03am

Tennessee's opening game was a 50 point blowout.

Women's tourney is 64 teams purely for equality's sake. (Not hating on the women's game, just sayin'.) We're about to begin our third generation with Title IX, and there is STILL not enough attention to developing girls into quality players to field 40 quality teams in the nation. That is a shame.

Even the Women's NIT is 64 teams. Go figure.

Pauley Pavilion is closed for renovations. Guess the Galen Center (USC) was out. Bruins had a big lead, too.

grunewar Tue Mar 22, 2011 04:04am

No Bracketology for this one? Unfair! I protest!!

I'll take all the #1 seeds!!

GoodwillRef Tue Mar 22, 2011 05:10am

It is all about venues that draw crowds for the NCAA. Tenn has played at home forever.

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 22, 2011 06:13am

And whereinthehell is BadNewz with his list of officials for this tournament?

Sexual discrimination!

Sexual discrimination, I tell ya.

Well, for one I'm certainly not about to take this. I intend to fight it until M&M's last breath.

chseagle Tue Mar 22, 2011 08:02am

The question I have is how did Spokane manage to get a full bracket load of games of the NCAAW Tournament?

1st & 2nd round at Gonzaga, with all other games at Spokane Veterans Memorial Arena.

Raymond Tue Mar 22, 2011 08:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 742232)
My first comment:
#3 UCLA AT #11 Gonzaga. :confused: Until this is fixed we can't take the womens tournament seriously. What a shame.

#15 McNeese St hosted the #2 seed (Texas A&M?).

I assume the 16 1st & 2nd round sites are pre-determined and the NCAA just hopes that the host school will have a good team that year.

Raymond Tue Mar 22, 2011 08:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 742308)
And whereinthehell is BadNewz with his list of officials for this tournament?

Sexual discrimination!

Sexual discrimination, I tell ya.

Well, for one I'm certainly not about to take this. I intend to fight it until M&M's last breath.


Guilty as charged! Or would you like me to fight these charges so that we can watch M&M get exhausted? :D

Raymond Tue Mar 22, 2011 08:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 742252)
Tennessee's opening game was a 50 point blowout.

Women's tourney is 64 teams purely for equality's sake. (Not hating on the women's game, just sayin'.) We're about to begin our third generation with Title IX, and there is STILL not enough attention to developing girls into quality players to field 40 quality teams in the nation. That is a shame.
...

But ironically, the women have had one occurrence of a 16 seed beating a 1 seed.

M&M Guy Tue Mar 22, 2011 08:29am

...gasp..wheeze...

rockyroad Tue Mar 22, 2011 08:44am

It's a pretty simple concept...the NCAAW teams can't see enough tickets to sell-out a coliseum-type site, so they use home courts of certain schools each year. If that school happens to be good enough to make the field, they get to play at home. Gonzaga was selected as a site last year and then won the WCC title. They still had to play the game, and UCLA wasn't good enough to stop 'Zaga's point guard...tough beans for UCLA.

Judtech Tue Mar 22, 2011 08:46am

1. The NCAAW brackets were easier to pick. I just followed UConn/Tenn/Baylor/Stanford to the final four and filled in the rest.
2. The Tennessee game was pretty exciting. You must have missed the Marquette game.
3. #33 for Penn State can shoot the lights out. Saw her in the Big 10 Tourney. Said she launches 1000 3ptrs a day. I was assuming in practice not a game. Too bad they lost, she was my pick to be the lady's version of JIMMER!
4. Tourney sites are based on $$$. As of a few years ago each site had to pay to host. Also, where can they draw the most people. That is why you see games in Storrs and Knoxville. The Zags women's team has been underappreciated all year, IMO
5. 1998: #16 Harvard 71 - #1 Stanford 67
6. Games to watch Oklahoma/Miami and Xavier/Louisville

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 22, 2011 09:46am

I did pick a bracket, but I have no clue how it is doing. I forgot my password, but I think it is something like "whocares".

Judtech Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 742376)
I did pick a bracket, but I have no clue how it is doing. I forgot my password, but I think it is something like "whocares".

Ha! What was your UserName? Bigfndeal?

grunewar Tue Mar 22, 2011 07:30pm

UConn vs Purdue
 
I went to the Chat Room and there was no one there....... ;)

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 22, 2011 07:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 742603)
I went to the Chat Room and there was no one there....... ;)

There is a chat room?

jer Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:53pm

Ladies: Georgia-FSU Inadvertent Whistle?
 
Did anybody watch the end of the UGA FSU women's game. The announcers completely ignored it, but it seemed to appear there was an inadvertent whistle that resulted in a FSU player quitting on the play. Even live I was convinced I heard a whistle, on audio replays more convinced, but it was ignored by the ESPN announcers.

Adam Wed Mar 23, 2011 07:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 742252)
Tennessee's opening game was a 50 point blowout.

Women's tourney is 64 teams purely for equality's sake. (Not hating on the women's game, just sayin'.) We're about to begin our third generation with Title IX, and there is STILL not enough attention to developing girls into quality players to field 40 quality teams in the nation. That is a shame.

Even the Women's NIT is 64 teams. Go figure.

Pauley Pavilion is closed for renovations. Guess the Galen Center (USC) was out. Bruins had a big lead, too.

I'm going to disagree slightly and say it has more to do with interest from the girls than from the attention they're getting.

26 Year Gap Wed Mar 23, 2011 07:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jer (Post 742638)
Did anybody watch the end of the UGA FSU women's game. The announcers completely ignored it, but it seemed to appear there was an inadvertent whistle that resulted in a FSU player quitting on the play. Even live I was convinced I heard a whistle, on audio replays more convinced, but it was ignored by the ESPN announcers.

You are kidding, right?

Adam Wed Mar 23, 2011 08:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jer (Post 742638)
Did anybody watch the end of the UGA FSU women's game. The announcers completely ignored it, but it seemed to appear there was an inadvertent whistle that resulted in a FSU player quitting on the play. Even live I was convinced I heard a whistle, on audio replays more convinced, but it was ignored by the ESPN announcers.

Saw the replays (basketball withdrawal is now officially in full swing for me), and while it sounded like a whistle, no way to be certain it wasn't a sneaker. One player was fooled, that's it.

Nevadaref Wed Mar 23, 2011 08:02am

I don't see the need to be so negative and derogatory.
If you aren't interested in the NCAAW's game, then simply steer clear of this thread. Otherwise, you simply come off as a jack@ss.

There are certain aspects of officiating that one can learn from in these contests. The question above about the possible whistle during play in the closing seconds of a tied game has merit. BTW the clip is being shown over and over on SportsCenter, so no one had to watch the full game or even had to catch the tail end of it to see this.

Judtech Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 742603)
I went to the Chat Room and there was no one there....... ;)

Because Purdue only had 13 points in the first half?
I went to the chat room twice last nite and was all alone!

I liked last nite b/c of all the upsets. And if you read my earlier postst the "Games To Watch" were actually pretty good!!
I saw the UGA game and I agree with Snaq-a-licious that it sounded more like a sneaker than a whistle. It was the FSU players fault for "giving up on the play"
I agree with NEVADA to a point. While I fully accept that the Women's game is different and not as popular as the men's game its no reason to demean those officials or players. IMO, if you watch it you can comment on some of its quirks (13 points Boilers, Really?) but if you don't watch it what can you really say?
Honestly "I hate women''s basketball" sounds alot like the howler monkeys in the stands saying "Ref, you suck" Or variations on that theme

grunewar Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:53am

As a ref who did primarily Women's HS Varsity games this year I certainly watch it on occasion. I poke fun, but I try not to be hurtful. It's a different game.

That being said, the college games remind me a lot of my HS games - have's vs have nots. Only a few really good players/teams out there.

Most of my games were blowouts too. JMO.

Judtech Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:36am

Agreed. The good thing is that there are more teams becoming "HAVE's". But again, there are still a lot of "Have nots'" IMO, there seems to be parity in "the middle" but huge outliers on either side. The traditional powers are always tough and when they lose it really is an upset. Then on the bottom end of the scale......well........... But in the middle, you see a lot of teams that have equal talent and ability. IMO, that level of play is increasing which is a good thing and will, eventually, catch them up with the "Have's"
SATURDAY'S Games To Watch

Gonzaga v Louisville
Stanford v UNC - I just have a gut feeling on this one

SUNDAY'S
Georgia v Texas A M

GoodwillRef Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 742725)
Saw the replays (basketball withdrawal is now officially in full swing for me), and while it sounded like a whistle, no way to be certain it wasn't a sneaker. One player was fooled, that's it.

It did sound more like a sneaker than a whistle...if you watch the replays it doesn't look like any of the officials "looked" like they blew their whistle.

JRutledge Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:44pm

If people do not like the NBA they make comments. The same works here. If you do not like those comments, do not read them or participate in a thread about women's basketball.

And many of the comments are true as the ratings are in the toilet anyway compared to the same thing on the Men's side.

Peace

26 Year Gap Wed Mar 23, 2011 01:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 742864)
It did sound more like a sneaker than a whistle...if you watch the replays it doesn't look like any of the officials "looked" like they blew their whistle.

Had a 'sneaker squeak' in one of my games this year. Both L and myself looked over at C, who refused to make eye contact. Kind of a blank stare. After a brief pause, the kids went back to playing the final minute or so remaining in the game.

rockyroad Wed Mar 23, 2011 03:19pm

Anyone else see the Vandersloot kid from Gonzaga become the first NCAA D-1 player - male or female - to reach 2,000 points and 1,000 assists in a career?

Pretty cool to see John Stockton in the crowd yelling and cheering for her as she set that record. Not to mention that it was a pretty good game...and yes, there are some of us who do watch NCAA-W games. Admittedly not as much as NCAA-M, but I do watch some of them.

JRutledge Wed Mar 23, 2011 03:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 742715)
You are kidding, right?

BTW, the coach from UConn was complaining that they did not fill up the arena with a tournament game on campus. That should tell you something about what the general public thinks about this level if the most successful program cannot fill the arena in one of the few hot beds for Women's basketball.

Peace

Judtech Wed Mar 23, 2011 03:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 743003)
BTW, the coach from UConn was complaining that they did not fill up the arena with a tournament game on campus. That should tell you something about what the general public thinks about this level if the most successful program cannot fill the arena in one of the few hot beds for Women's basketball.

Peace

I'll agree with your first post but not necessarily this one. I don't think one equates with the other. If I lived in Storrs, I am not sure I would rush right out to watch them beat the tar out of Purdue. It is tough to get excited about a game that is going to be a blow out.
I think it is more about women's basketball than UConn. Like I said, I fully understand the appeal or lack there of with women's basketball. TV ratings are TV ratings. The Men's are probably up b/c you have a lot more outlets with which to watch, and quite frankly, the number of last second shots/close games always helps ratings. The women's tourney is sorely lacking in those this year.

grunewar Wed Mar 23, 2011 04:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 743003)
BTW, the coach from UConn was complaining that they did not fill up the arena with a tournament game on campus. That should tell you something about what the general public thinks about this level if the most successful program cannot fill the arena in one of the few hot beds for Women's basketball.

Peace

Just discussed on PTI. Their take - the fans are spoiled because the UConn Women win all the time (OK, Maya Moore is 81-0 at home).

Kornheiser's solution - Gino should go to Tenn and take the men's team so he can be nearer to his "good friend" Pat Summit! :)

Nice!

JRutledge Wed Mar 23, 2011 05:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 743011)
I'll agree with your first post but not necessarily this one. I don't think one equates with the other. If I lived in Storrs, I am not sure I would rush right out to watch them beat the tar out of Purdue. It is tough to get excited about a game that is going to be a blow out.
I think it is more about women's basketball than UConn. Like I said, I fully understand the appeal or lack there of with women's basketball. TV ratings are TV ratings. The Men's are probably up b/c you have a lot more outlets with which to watch, and quite frankly, the number of last second shots/close games always helps ratings. The women's tourney is sorely lacking in those this year.

They are almost always lacking in those things. It is not just this year; the tournament on the Women's side often has no surprises or excitement. Who on the Women's side is VCU or FSU?

Women's basketball is not as supported because women do not support the sport. Men will watch damn near anything that is a popular sport over and over again even if it is boring (Baseball for example). If you expect men to watch these games on any large scale it is not going to happen. For one men value men's sports and always will. Even women support Men's sports in bigger numbers.

Peace

Judtech Wed Mar 23, 2011 05:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 743038)
They are almost always lacking in those things. It is not just this year; the tournament on the Women's side often has no surprises or excitement. Who on the Women's side is VCU or FSU?

Women's basketball is not as supported because women do not support the sport. Men will watch damn near anything that is a popular sport over and over again even if it is boring (Baseball for example). If you expect men to watch these games on any large scale it is not going to happen. For one men value men's sports and always will. Even women support Men's sports in bigger numbers.

Peace

I would like to take serious exception with your post. But.......... I can't!:D


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