Holding that whistle

[bainsey]

I worked a girls' tourney over the weekend, and one play sticks out that I'd like to have back.

A-1 is going on a breakway, with B-2 just behind her. B-2 has two hands on A-1 as she's driving, but A-1 can easily play through it, so I hold the whistle. At the last split-second, B-2 releases contact, and A-1's attempt hits the bottom of the backboard. I have nothing but a staredown from the coach, a veteran varsity coach. I can't argue with his silent dispute.

I'm not crazy about blowing the whistle immediately when both hands are touching in this case, for aforementioned reasons. In these cases, is it generally better to blow the whistle on the release? Am I wrong not to blow the whistle immediately every time there's two handed contact? Should I wait to see if the layup is good? (I've seen some veteran officials do this.)

I know I'm producing a HTBT, but what are your thoughts?

[JugglingReferee]

It sounds as if the two hands on the back were there for a period of time, and they did not increase or decrease in pressure.

If you think there should be a foul, consider this:

Do you think there is a difference in B disadvantaging A when comparing A's dribble to A's shot attempt?

If so, then call a shooting foul.

If not, then give it a split-second to see if B removes their hands, and if not, you have to call the common foul before any attempt is made.

My personal opinion is that there most definitely is a difference. I'd definitely consider a shooting foul. But, I would have to see the play.

[Adam]

So, did A1 drive by B2 or not?

Seems to me you can't have a shooting foul, so you need to decide if B2 impeded A1's shot or not. If she didn't, you let A1 live with the results of her layup. If she did, call the foul.

[Camron Rust]

Sounds to me like A1 was in her habitual motion at the time the hands were removed. Once you've seen enough to determine an advantage was gained, call the foul, even if it takes a moment....that may be when the shot doesn't get released cleanly or on a path that wouldn't have occurred without the contact.

If you blow the whistle too early, you take a way A1's earned advantageous position OR you make it a more difficult sales job for you to count the basket if it goes. I'm going to err on the side of letting the shooter get to the shot if there is anyway that can be done.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So, did A1 drive by B2 or not?

Seems to me you can't have a shooting foul, so you need to decide if B2 impeded A1's shot or not. If she didn't, you let A1 live with the results of her layup. If she did, call the foul.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sounds to me like A1 was in her habitual motion at the time the hands were removed. Once you've seen enough to determine an advantage was gained, call the foul, even if it takes a moment....they may be when the shot doesn't get released cleanly or on a path that wouldn't have occurred without the contact.

If you blow the whistle too early, you take a way A1's earned advantageous position OR you make it a more difficult sales job for you to count the basket if it goes. I'm going to err on the side of letting the shooter get to the shot if there is anyway that can be done.

After re-reading the play, I agree with Camron.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

After re-reading the play, I agree with Camron.

Snaqs:

How do you make that crossout line in you last post above?

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Snaqs:

How do you make that crossout line in you last post above?

MTD, Sr.

Mark,
Use the word "strike".
Now, put the < symbol in front.
Then put the > in back.
To end the effect, do the same thing but put the / symbol in front of "strike".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Snaqs:

How do you make that crossout line in you last post above?

MTD, Sr.

Here's another helper. Just quote my post, and you'll see how it's done.
here