How many fans actually go to a game anymore & watch a full game?

Cell phones, friends/acquaintances, kids....there's always something other than the game happening where the fans cannot put their undivided attention on the game.

Same thing can be said of any sporting event/concert, no one really sees the whole thing due to some sort of distraction.

By not having the points posted, would make the fans have to put more attention into what's happening on the court.

I believe the vast majority of fans that PAID money to go to a game are paying attention the vast majority of the game. I don't even know where you get the idea that fans aren't paying attention to most of the game. And you know what...even if they aren't paying attention, whom does that hurt? What about the players and coaches who need to know the score? And how knowing the score without having to ask the scorer helps officials?

If you don't keep the score showing, you're just making a less fan friendly atmosphere. And instead of allegedly not having fans pay attention (by your assertion which I think is silly), you might just have fans not decide to go.

Just stop.

So would setting the court on fire and releasing tigers onto the floor. Both of those options woiuld probably be more acceptable than removing the score from the SCOREboard.

I believe we have reached a new plateau.

The word you are looking for is "nadir", not plateau.

There are acceptable distractions: having to use the restroom or having a food craving.

Baseball teams give out as part of their programs scorecards for fans to keep track of the stats themselves (of course not everyone does that), so there's more fan participation there that keeps the fan interest in the game.

My point was that (concerning cell phones & friends/acquaintances) public gatherings have turned into social gatherings to find out the latest happenings instead of all the focus being on the event itself.

I know for a fact that some people just go to sporting events just to be there to be part of the crowd & to socialize.

Some go to games just to watch one player, & will not watch unless that player is playing. Some go to games because they have nothing else to do.

Yes, having the score posted may be important, however why should all the focus in interscholastic athletics be the score? How about just going out & doing your best whether you win or lose?

Far too often in the media there's news reports about unsporting games because of what the score ended up as, where's the news reports about a game where both teams played their best & the score did not actually matter?

Interscholastic athletics are supposed to be an extension of the classroom, instilling good morales & values into tomorrow's leaders, how can that be done if all anyone cares about the score?

Back to the topic at hand:

How about just using all NCAA Rules (or variations of)?

chseagle, I'm usually one of the more patient and tolerant members of the forum when it comes to your postings however I think you need to realize that you now have gone overboard on this now very off-topic subject.

What was discussed as it applied to the table personnel was implementing shot clocks at the high school level. Some want it, some don't. I gave my reasons why I don't want it and you have gone off the deep end with it.

One problem with that is that there are 2 sets of NCAA rules, one for Women and one for Men. Which set are you suggesting the NFHS adopt?

Well since no one wants to implement the new NCAA-M 3-pt. line, NCAA-W Rules.

You don't want to keep score and play for fun, go join a rec league where that's the singular focus. At the high school level and above at the scholastic level, there's nothing wrong with being competitive and keeping score. It's the coach's, AD's, and parent's job to help keep the proper perspective for the players.

The crazy thing about those baseball games where they give out those cards...they still keep the score on the scoreboard! GASP! :eek: And you want those very same people who you allege to not pay attention to the game to start paying attention by making them keep score? And you want the schools to pay for all that extra paper that isn't going to be used...when a lot of schools can't even afford a third official?! What if a fan doesn't have a writting utensil? We gonna provide pencils as well? Sounds like we're given a test rather than letting them watch a d*** game of basketball.

CHS, I can't really believe you're suggesting this seriously.

So what?

Are you going to police the fans because they are not enjoying the game in a manner that you authorize?

Get over yourself.

In the major league stadiums, they ever break the number of runs scored by inning. :eek:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/2/1362599_02bcdea730.jpg

I heard the advanced ones show hits and errors as well. And the super duper advanced ones keep score of OTHER games. :eek:

You missed the point where I said not everyone does do the stats on the scorecard.

Then again, baseball is relatively low scoring as is hockey.

Just throwing out suggestions even if a bit nonsensical, to get everyone discussing.

You're right, look at this! How are fan's heads not spontaneously exploding at the wealth of information?

http://ericfleming.files.wordpress.c...er-450x300.JPG

The only way to police the fans is if they get out of control or they are taking the enjoyment of the game away from others by being disruptive.

The scoreboard sponsors won't be happy that their donation has been wasted. Had a guy in my first referee class. His name was Brad. He asked a lot of stupid questions and came up with a lot of convoluted scenarios. The instructor came up with the Brad-o-meter. He was allowed only 3 stupid comments per class and then he was patently ignored. I think there is one poster in this thread that would not have lasted 30 seconds [visible count] in that class.

That's just a cryin' shame in your eyes, isn't it?

Know what the bottom line is?

None of us really gives a damn about any of that. We officiate. We worry about what happens between those lines on the floor. Everything else is just freaking details. And we really don't care about timer/scorers either unless they screw up. And if one of 'em does, well, then there's always another chseagle available somewhere to plug in. I hate to break it to you but we could probably teach an orangutang to do what you do. And that includes security too. It might be a damn good idea also. Orangutangs don't talk as much as freaking chseagles, and when they do they usually make more sense.

No but the scoreboard operator's head is exploding due to having to change every digit by hand, in this example.

Major league franchises have the money to have such sophisticated systems.

No I got your point. So what about people that don't want to do the stats? With your point about baseball, even if a fan doesn't want to keep score, there's a means for them to know the score, hits, and and errors committed...by way of SCOREBOARD!

There's throwing suggestions, then there's throwing unrealistic ideas that don't even make sense. Guess which yours fit in.

Can we please get back on topic, as evidenced above I did.

You're kidding me. You drive us off into the Badlands with your non-sense and then want to turn around? :rolleyes:

Tell you what, why don't you quit polluting all of our OFFICIATING threads with your scoreboard/timekeeper/shotclock/guardianofthegameandallthatisholy nonsense that nobody really gives two rat turds about? It's getting old and I'm tired of biting me tongue over it. :mad:

You, sir, get the diction gold star today. :cool:

Dude, what's the ignore list for, if not to lower your BP?

I feel a lot better now. ;)

And you know that doesn't work if everybody quotes him, ergo the troll in the baseball forum.

Are you saying Charles Barkley could work the table? :D

As long as his arms were long enough to start the clock...:D

Both of you are aware you're goin' to he!!, right?

Yup. So, we have to find other ways to vent our frustrations.

Ok make that a new rule for all ESPN Personnel that do basketball games have to work the table a couple of games a year :eek::rolleyes:

Getting back to proposed rule changes
 

Gee - I think that's what this thread was about some time in a past life. How about this one:

If an official stops play due to an injured player, that player must leave and be substituted even if the coach is not beckoned, or that team must use a TO to keep the player in the game. IOW - just eliminate the "coach being beckoned" aspect of the current rule.

I know there would be some issues if this came to pass, but it could be fun to discuss it.

BTW - I really don't care how this would affect table personnel. ;)

What's the issue with the rule as written...and what would this solve? I don't see this speeding up anything. If you stop play and the player is good to go without beckoning the coach, I feel that would be faster than stopping play, making sure the player is okay, then telling the coach we need a sub or god forgive, take an unnecessary timeout to buy them back in the game.

Isn't that what the 20 sec. DQ/Injury TO is for?

If an injured player is not ready to play in the 20 sec. timeframe, then they must sit a tick.

If we deem a player has to come out of the game, the coach has 20 seconds to replace him. There is no hard, fast rule that gives a player 20 seconds to recover though if it took anywhere near that long, the coach is going to be beckoned.

Third Time's A Charm ???
 

My real name is not Brad.

1. No, it's not what the 20 second rule is for.
2. It's not a TO.
3. Once that 20 second clock starts, he already must sit a tick. If the 20 seconds passes w/o a sub, the coach earns himself a T, and he must sit the rest of the game.

A good timer would have known that.

You mean like this guy?

http://www.thwidener.com/drawings/po..._man_small.jpg

Oh wait - I thought you said old timer. Sorry. On second thought, maybe this is a pic of our resident timer after all. :p

They are all on goodtimer dot com

Guessing you need to put a "NSFW" label on that one.

There is more than one interp?