How to deal with bad refs

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Coach, I'm going to just add this. From the sounds of it, you at least believe these officials to be corrupt, and the organization itself doesn't seem much better. Frankly, you should be prepared to either take your team to a different league, or form such a league, if the league you're in won't listen to your comments.

If it's as widely known as you say, then I would be surprised if they listened.

From the conversation here I've dulled in my stance and wouldn't use the word "corrupt". I'm not sure what word I would use at this point. It would be somewhere between 'lack of knowledge' and 'selective calls' however I'm not sure that it's worth making an issue. I'm going to have a conversation about it with the league but considering that I've already asked if it's ok for a father to ref for his sons game and was told it has to be that way because these are the refs we have I don't think anything else will matter much either.

An underlying issue is the positioning of the refs but considering the running clock and some other factors I'm not sure that's worth going into either. I'm still interested in what people's thoughts are and have generally enjoyed the discussion.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

I've already asked if it's ok for a father to ref for his sons game

Several yrs ago, I had to ref my son's game.

Now, being an Asst Coach, Bookkeeper, Scoreboard OP, etc. in this league for yrs, and being well known, the coaches had no problems with this. I mean, would you like to have a state certified official who has a son playing or just one uncertified 18 yr old kid with little training or experience calling your game? As has been said here before, always bring your stuff!

Harder on him or his teammates. I dunno? Did I try to be fair? Absolutely.

One thing is certain - the first T I ever issued was against my son, in that game, for unsporting behavior......and his mom AND my parents were in the gym to see it.

It was a cold, quiet ride home in the car after that game....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

From the conversation here I've dulled in my stance and wouldn't use the word "corrupt". I'm not sure what word I would use at this point. It would be somewhere between 'lack of knowledge' and 'selective calls' however I'm not sure that it's worth making an issue. I'm going to have a conversation about it with the league but considering that I've already asked if it's ok for a father to ref for his sons game and was told it has to be that way because these are the refs we have I don't think anything else will matter much either.

An underlying issue is the positioning of the refs but considering the running clock and some other factors I'm not sure that's worth going into either. I'm still interested in what people's thoughts are and have generally enjoyed the discussion.

Fair enough. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with an official working his son's rec game now and then, but if they're the only refs your league can get, there are problems they aren't sharing; especially if they're paying $30 / game.

My guess (and it's only a guess) is they really aren't trying to find other refs.

Other options:
1. your league has a rep among real officials for poor behavior.
2. It's a long drive from nowhere and $30 isn't enough to get good officials to drive it.
3. ????

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Fair enough. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with an official working his son's rec game now and then, but if they're the only refs your league can get, there are problems they aren't sharing; especially if they're paying $30 / game.

My guess (and it's only a guess) is they really aren't trying to find other refs.

Other options:
1. your league has a rep among real officials for poor behavior.
2. It's a long drive from nowhere and $30 isn't enough to get good officials to drive it.
3. ????

All that's left is to go out and win the game so none of this junk matters. Thanks Snagwells.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

All that's left is to go out and win the game so none of this junk matters. Thanks Snagwells.

No problem.

Now, if I can just get people to see that it's a Q, not a G.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Now, if I can just get people to see that it's a Q, not a G.

Snagglepuss is a Hanna-Barbera cartoon character created in 1959, a pink anthropomorphic mountain lion voiced by Daws Butler.He is best known for his famous catchphrase, "Heavens to Murgatroyd!"

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Snagglepuss is a Hanna-Barbera cartoon character created in 1959, a pink anthropomorphic mountain lion voiced by Daws Butler.He is best known for his famous catchphrase, "Heavens to Murgatroyd!"

Maybe it's Nanerpuss...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Snagglepuss is a Hanna-Barbera cartoon character created in 1959, a pink anthropomorphic mountain lion voiced by Daws Butler.He is best known for his famous catchphrase, "Heavens to Murgatroyd!"

Originally Posted by Welpe

Maybe it's Nanerpuss...

Shut up.