How to deal with bad refs

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Working for a rec league is not greatly desired by many officials. The pay is generally lousy, the play not so wonderful, and the yelling from the fans/coaches/parents is mostly a pain. So many better officials pass on working these leagues. However, that doesn't mean that your league can't be a positive.

What are the ages of the players in your league?
Are you using refs certified by the state association who work HS games?
You say the pay is $30-35 per game. That's decent for a rec league.
The refs are supposed to switch positions on each foul, but most do not when working a rec league game. Many don't even when working HS games.
It is simply being lazy.

In the end, you get what you pay for as well as who will come to the environment that you create. If it is a negative experience, then expect lower level officials to be the only ones willing to come out.

Thanks for the response.

To answer your questions....

What are the ages of the players in your league? - 15-18
Are you using refs certified by the state association who work HS games? - I'm told yes and they have the association patches that other refs have.

I can't disagree with you on the environment aspect of it because that's true which also probably explains why the ones that will come favor the teams that fit the environment. We beat one of those teams yesterday in a very physical game with a lot of pushing and the opposite team only had 3 fouls at the end of the 2nd half and the fans were still yelling that they were cheated and more fouls should have been called on us.

[Terrapins Fan]

I bet if you filmed the games and had a "certified" official watch the film, he would not see the same things you see.

You are looking at the game from someone who has an investment.

No matter what you believe, I am going to say over 98% of all officials do not care who wins a game. And I don't know any of the maybe 2% who do care, I have never met one who does.

[dave30]

It's REC league. Do you really think an official would take a chance on ruining his credibility by cheating in a REC league? Why would anyone care who wins in a REC league? Referees surely do not.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I have never met one who does.

Neither have I. Never.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by terrapins fan

i bet if you filmed the games and had a "certified" official watch the film, he would not see the same things you see.

You are looking at the game from someone who has an investment.

No matter what you believe, i am going to say over 98% of all officials do not care who wins a game. And i don't know any of the maybe 2% who do care, i have never met one who does.

+1

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I bet if you filmed the games and had a "certified" official watch the film, he would not see the same things you see.

You are looking at the game from someone who has an investment.

No matter what you believe, I am going to say over 98% of all officials do not care who wins a game. And I don't know any of the maybe 2% who do care, I have never met one who does.

I would agree with you in most cases as I stick up for these same refs myself from time to time with the parents and even the kids. My issue is that even the favored teams kids and coaches admit that these refs make up calls and "don't call anything" from time to time when it's discussed outside the environment.

I cannot disagree with you about the investment comment either however I would also say that just because I have an investment doesn't make it an absolute that what I'm saying has no merit.

I would never try and tie this issue to all officials. I'm talking about one rec league and two officials. This does not in any way represent what officials stand for as I respect what they do and agree with the comment somewhere above about when a coach says "you really did right by us" that he should be worried.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

I would agree with you in most cases as I stick up for these same refs myself from time to time with the parents and even the kids. My issue is that even the favored teams kids and coaches admit that these refs make up calls and "don't call anything" from time to time when it's discussed outside the environment.

Coach, I don't think you get how serious an accusation this is. Tell me I missed the call, or was in the wrong position or even that I am wrong on a rule. They might all be true.

Don't dare accuse me of favoring one team over another.

I have reffed over 300 games, a good deal of them rec ball. i have NEVER favored one team over another.

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

Coach, I don't think you get how serious an accusation this is. Tell me I missed the call, or was in the wrong position or even that I am wrong on a rule. They might all be true.

Don't dare accuse me of favoring one team over another.

I have reffed over 300 games, a good deal of them rec ball. i have NEVER favored one team over another.

For you to be on a board like this to discuss the situations, interpretations, and understandings of the rules like you do I'm sure you take it serious and would take an accusation like that just as serious.

That doesn't mean that your standards and morals apply to every ref that's taken the test, or put on the stripes either.

You don't know who I am so there's an air of anonymity that allows me to speak my mind and talk through my thoughts without having to deal with the consequences so that plays into it a bit as well. When I walk away from this keyboard there's a much larger set of rules that dictates what comes out of my mouth.

I can understand if you're still offended by the idea that I would even mention it here. If that's true then all I can do is apologize.