Double Foul During AP Throw-In

JugglingReferee

BadNewsRef wrote
That is not correct. POI most definitely involves team control. It's the first thing on the check list.

I never did receive a copy of this year's books, so could you please enter that list for me?

Raymond

JugglingReferee wrote
I never did receive a copy of this year's books, so could you please enter that list for me?

It's a mental one. And your statement concerning POI is still wrong. 😉

JugglingReferee

Ok, thanks M&M. When I wrote POI in my reply, I meant P in the game OI.

tref

A good way to remember how to administer POI situations (aside from studying the rulebook) is, what would've happened had my partner not blown his/her whistle.

Adam

JugglingReferee wrote
But we ended up with the same conclusion, and I don't believe that anything I said is incorrect.

The hi-lighted portion below is incorrect.

JugglingReferee wrote
Double foul goes to POI. The arrow doesn't change on a foul, so it remains in A's favour. POI is a situation with no team control, so we use the arrow. Arrow points to A, so A's ball for an APA throw-in.

I'm not sure if that's what you're sayin', Snaq.

Same conclusion, different roads.

Would you use the arrow if the double foul was called during a throw-in following a violation?

Adam

tref wrote
A good way to remember how to administer POI situations (aside from studying the rulebook) is, what would've happened had my partner not blown his/her whistle.

I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

fullor30

snaqwells wrote
poi is the ap throw-in. Ball to the team who had it for the throw-in, arrow will switch once the throw-in is completed.

Had a1 released the ball, same result.
Had a1 released the ball and the ball been tipped but not controlled, then you would have an ap throw-in to the other team (the arrow would have reversed on the tip.)

Raymond

Snaqwells wrote
I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

There is one exception, that being a shot in flight. Then the POI is determined by whether or not the shot was made.

tref

Snaqwells wrote
I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

True, true... perhaps its better to hit the books :-)

Adam

BadNewsRef wrote
There is one exception, that being a made basket if the DF occurs during a shot in flight.

True, the only reason I changed it was because "what would have happened" could lead to some incorrect rulings if an official decided that B1 "would have had an easy steal" or something similar.

tref

Snaqwells wrote
True, the only reason I changed it was because "what would have happened" could lead to some incorrect rulings if an official decided that B1 "would have had an easy steal" or something similar.

Coach: Come on ref, he was going to fall down when you blew your whistle! That would've been a travel... POI no?? 😀

JugglingReferee

Fair enough Snaqs. 🙂

Thanks! Minute details make the difference!

Adam

JugglingReferee wrote
Fair enough Snaqs. 🙂

Of course, I could have just read you wrong. 😀

M&M Guy

Snaqwells wrote
I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

Me too:

"A whole bunch of crap that needed to be called." So, why would we want to go back to that?

😉 😀

Adam

M&M Guy wrote
Me too:

"A whole bunch of crap that needed to be called." So, why would we want to go back to that?

😉 😃

Which is why you don't go back and ask the coach what was happening when the whistle blew.

M&M Guy

Snaqwells wrote
Which is why you don't go back and ask the coach what was happening when the whistle blew.

Good advice. On many levels.

Jurassic Referee

NFHS rules 4-36-1 and 4-36-2(b) covers it in case anybody gives a sh!t.

Jurassic Referee

bob jenkins wrote
Thanks. Just checking to see if RefMag had it right. They didn't.

I wonder if anyone over there ever edits their articles. That wasn't really a toughy.

Adam

Jurassic Referee wrote
I wonder if anyone over there ever edits their articles. That wasn't really a toughy.

How badly did they slice this one?

JugglingReferee

Jurassic Referee wrote
I wonder if anyone over there ever edits their articles. That wasn't really a toughy.

Someone could turn their screw ups into a job opportunity. 🙂

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