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Adam Fri Mar 11, 2011 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by NoFussRef (Post 739086)
I don't recall ever blowing it dead until after an offensive player has chased it into BC and touched the ball in BC. I believe I have been correct in allowing the play to continue until this occurs, as the defense could chase it- pick it up and drive.

Thought this was pretty clear, but after reading this thread, some of the wording made it appear that as soon as the ball bounced in BC it was already a BC-violation. Had to ask.

The offensive team must be the first to touch the ball after it went into the BC in order for a violation to occur.

Let me ask you a follow up question:

Where do you administer the throw-in on a BC violation?

NoFussRef Fri Mar 11, 2011 02:40pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 739095)
The offensive team must be the first to touch the ball after it went into the BC in order for a violation to occur.

Let me ask you a follow up question:

Where do you administer the throw-in on a BC violation?

Whaa? :eek: That is a great question Snaqs.

I will say that most of the BC violations are called at the division line, so most designated spot throw-ins are at the division line. However, if I think I see where your question is to lead me, "spot nearest where the violation occurred", ?, I can say that I have never advanced the all up to division line if BC violation was called deep in BC, say around the endline.

Is this correct? If so I admit that even if I have been getting it done right, I have not been doing it for the right reasons.

Jurassic Referee Fri Mar 11, 2011 02:42pm

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Originally Posted by NoFussRef (Post 739102)
Whaa? :eek: That is a great question Snaqs.

I will say that most of the BC violations are called at the division line, so most designated spot throw-ins are at the division line. However, if I think I see where your question is to lead me, "spot nearest where the violation occurred", ?, I can say that I have never advanced the all up to division line if BC violation was called deep in BC, say around the endline.

Is this correct? If so I admit that even if I have been getting it done right, I have not been doing it for the right reasons.

What does the rule say?

NoFussRef Fri Mar 11, 2011 02:58pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 739103)
What does the rule say?


I do not know what the NFHS book says. That is why I am asking.

Almost every bit of rules knowledge I have obtained, has came from on-court experience. I have not owned a NFHS book since the late 1990's, and even though I have been working games for over 15 years, I have only done youth and adult Rec leagues.

I will be joining my state association before next season, attending at least one clinic this summer, and intend to progress. This forum has been a great source of information regarding rule interpretations, odd-situations, and most appreciated- the citing of NFHS Rules/Cases when answering questions.

Adam Fri Mar 11, 2011 03:01pm

Okay, the violation is for contacting the ball after it goes into the backcourt. So that should answer all of your questions on this, right?

NoFussRef Fri Mar 11, 2011 03:11pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 739116)
Okay, the violation is for contacting the ball after it goes into the backcourt. So that should answer all of your questions on this, right?

All but one, that I believe you were implying. :)

On a BC violation, the ball is spotted where?

My answer: The spot nearest the violation.

Jurassic Referee Fri Mar 11, 2011 03:19pm

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Originally Posted by NoFussRef (Post 739114)
I do not know what the NFHS book says. That is why I am asking.

The general rule of thumb is to have a designated spot throw-in closest to where the violation occurred. For backcourt violations, that would be where the ball was touched.

Note though that there are some exceptions such as defensive goaltending or basket interference. In those cases, the throw-in is a non-designated spot throw-in same as after every basket.

The only real way to try and get these rules right is to get the relevant rule books every year and study them. it's good to see that you have the desire to improve your officiating skills. Hopefully the people here can assist you. There are some very knowledgable officials posting here. And....we all come here to learn from them.

NoFussRef Fri Mar 11, 2011 03:22pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 739122)

The only real way to try and get these rules right is to get the relevant rule books every year and study them. it's good to see that you have the desire to improve your officiating skills. Hopefully the people here can assist you. There are some very knowledgable officials posting here. And....we all come here to learn from them.

Very much agreed.


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