Ref will get younger
 

In his tournament, sure. I bet he wishes he had the power to affect the officials the conferences hire. You can hear it in what he says.

I feel bad for those officials who are too young to get a healthy schedule, yet too old by Adams' standards.

Then, after the first kicked call...
 

The line from the "experts" will be..."It's too bad this great game had to ruined by the inexperience of that ref. If only they had put veterans on the game who know how to handle the situation..."

If you make it to Division 1 basketball you have already had a ton of basketball officiating experience.

Can you, with absolute certainty, say that on the women's side when talking about women officials? :D

Most officials that work Division 1 (men/women)...yes I can.

If you don't cut it you are out withen 3-4 years.

Yeah but since when did the common-taters care about facts like that?

Not in Women's basketball. I know of many officials that got there in 5 years. That is not a lot of experience if you ask me.

Peace

Exactly

As a guy who works Women's side, I can concur completely with that above statement....

As a guy who works on the women's side in D1, I can agree that happens with YOUR current supervisor (only because I workED for him too ;) ) Here we go again playing to the typical stereotype that W officials are inferior. There are plenty of officials working D1 men's who don't have the experience either, but of course you guys have to single out the women's officials. I made it there at the age of 26, I assume by you guys standards I don't have the experience either. Always entertaining around here ;)

Geez, and I thought how the NBA handled the Durant call last year was bad.

Between his comments last night without having seen the video first and now this, Adams comes off as reactionary. It sounds like he's trying to please ESPN's talking heads more than actually putting the best officials in the tournament.

The best officials, no matter what age, should call the tournament. I know that may be naive, but that's how I see it.

I wouldn't say naive, NCAA and NBE I know have to worry more about the "look" of their crews, but speaking through the youth and adult wreck lens, I personally don't care how young or old my partner is- provided they can get into position and consistently make correct calls/no-calls.

I have worked with "dinosaurs" that could still beat the pack down the floor, and worked with "teenie-boppers" that had great on-court presence.

I personally think Adams' words of "younger" is taken out of context. Most guys peak in their officiating career in their 40s in my opinion. That is when they have it all going on. They should be absolutely proficient with the rules, should still be in good shape and able to still run the floor well, and have had the amount of experience needed to be at the top of their game. So to me that is not too young. There are too many out there that are in their latter years who can't run, etc. and are on the decline. Although I think these men have contributed greatly to the game, I would still like to see them around the game, therefore I think they should be advisors to the NCAA, certain conferences, etc. but not on the court.

I'm confused about how any official can get younger. Like Merlin? :confused:

I agree with the peak being in the 40's, but I think the optimum ages are between 30 and 55 years old. At 30, an official should have 5-10 years experience. At 55, he still should have enough mobility...and smarts... to get into and keep himself in position as long as he watches and works on his fitness level. Ideally imo, you try to pair the young 'uns with the older guys to take advantage of their acquired wisdom while getting the young 'uns ready to take over from them. Of course though, you can't make hard and fast rules. Some officials might start early and have the innate ability and drive to move onward and upward in their mid-20's when they get enough experience in. And the wear and tear of those 100-game seasons in both the NCAA and NBA combined with the travel are factors at any age too. Too much and you might not be mentally prepared on a particular night, no matter your age and experience. And some officials are born R's while others might be good, competent officials but they're still career U2's.

JMO.

agreed and well said and I also think you just called it the NBA and not the "NBE" for the first time!!! I think I'm going to archive this post and now I am going to shed a happy tear. haha

I can't believe you went there.:eek:
Not saying you are wrong, but I also love my schedule too much to comment further:cool:

Ben, believe it or not I have nothing but respect for the officials in the NBA. The league and some of it's administrators? Not so much. The problems with the NB<font color = red>E</font> don't lie with the guys with the whistle imo. It lies with the league's philosophy.

Again, jmo.

Sign me up
 

If they want younger then I'll be glad to sign up to officiate a couple of NCAA tournaments

And this is different than what other levels? You work NCAA you have to do things that the Big East, Big Ten or SEC ask you to do. And the NCAA has philosophies as well. That is the case from the pro level, to the little corner of my world where one assignor wants this called and another assignor in another league wants this called. That is the life we all live in. The NBA just has a smaller staff.

Peace

One word: BoTox :eek:

You mean the players who threw the ball to the opponent to begin with? Gosh, I hope someone tells them they can blame the stupid refs for their loss.

They missed one call. One call. Doctors don't take less money when the get a diagnosis wrong. Attorney's don't take less money for making one mistake. Teachers can really screw up kids' lives in ways that are actually important, yet one kid failing out of school doesn't mean the teacher gets less money in his check. That's just stupid.

I have heard it plain from Kaye Garms that her goal was "to have a complete female officiating staff". I understand that most conference assignors want to reflect the race and gender of what is seen on the floor. I am only saying that I will need to be superior to a female official to be hired, because if I am only the same, the female will get the nod. I have chosen the road of the female side and have worked with Connie Pardue, John Weeks, Brian Hall, and other D1 officials and I only hope that I can understand the concepts and fit in well with the other officials at camp this summer.

I was in no way inferencing that female officials were inferior. I just think that the numbers game plays a bit of a factor for women. That being said, certain things may get you IN but being a heck of an official, male or female, will KEEP you in!;)

Old School returns.

Sigh....:rolleyes:

I hate to break it to ya, fanboy, but the assignors work for the leagues, not the NCAA. The leagues make the policy decisions; not the assignors. And the assignors had better keep the Office happy.

Now feel free to piss off to a fanboy web site and dazzle them with your vast officiating knowledge gained by watching multi games on ESPN.

You know, all we have to do is take a look at your posting history, fanboy. This is the third straight year that you've shown up here in March to crap on D1 officials and get a plug in for your beloved Coach K and his Dookies. Then you'll disappear until next March. You have never contributed one damn thing related to officiating on this site except to whine and b!tch about something. Could that be because you're just another fanboy trying to justify his posts by telling us what a big-time official he was? Know what? If you want to get taken seriously, get involved in some officiating discussions instead of just coming here to crap on D1 officials every damn Spring.

Official---my azz!! Typical fanboy.

At least he is posting in the right font color.

Look, chalk it up to age, chalk it up to experience, chalk it up to reputation, chalk it up to pedigree -- the list can go on and on and on and on as to reasons why some stripes can't hang it up. . .

One reason and I have no doubt that officials like the Burr's, the Higgins', the Hightower's, etc etc etc -- stick around -- and that's because the coaches they work for want them on their games.

Dick Bavetta is 71 years old -- and he can't catch up to plays the majority of times in NBA games, but he's there because he knows how to manage players, manage coaches, and both those parties believe in him.

The same goes for both Burr and Higgins, and if you think for a nano-second that either one of those guys will only work a 1st or 2nd round game in the tourney, you're fooling yourselves.

Remember, we work at the collegiate level for coaches and in essence, them and the AD's are the supervisor's bosses, and many of those coaches (more than less) want Burr and Higgins to be on their floor when they play, and why? Because of the experience, because of the pedigree, and because those guys have been around this game long enough to know exactly what to say, how to say it, and to get both the coaches and players to buy it off on it -- hook, line, and sinker. . .

Nuff said, pencils down, game over.

Did you really get that from what I said; because I'm sure my 5 year old son would have better reading comprehension.

They screwed up, yep they sure did. So what?

It's not like Rutgers actually played any defense to earn that turnover, so they aren't getting punished in spite of playing well. They played like sh1t the last few seconds. I'd say they performed worse than the refs.

That said, you neglected to respond to the more important part of my post; but that's okay, I'm not sure you understood it anyway. I think I used some big words.

Now I haven't bothered to check myself, so I might just be blowing smoke, but before making a statement like this, you might want to actually check how far they worked that last couple of years.

You are absolutely right.

Actually they might not work beyond the first weekend the last couple of years anyway. It will not be because of this situation, it might be for other reasons that none of us by John Adams knows for sure.

I know both worked more NIT and those other tournament games than they did NCAA Tournament games.

Peace

Some of this is true and some of it is WAY overstated IMO.

I'll take the bet in bold.

Actually I would bet that Higgins doesn't get any games in the NCAA tourney. He worked 1 game in 2009 and did not get any games in 2010. He clearly is not a John Adams favorite. 2008 was the last time Tim Higgins worked the second weekend of the tourney.

As for Burr...I would bet a large sum of money that he works at least one game on the first weekend. This is mostly based on Adams' praise of his work this year in the Rutgers/St. John's aftermath. Also, his tournament history with Adams in charge is a little better. In 2010 Burr worked 2 games on the first weekend and worked an Elite 8 game.

The evidence points to a conclusion that Adams thinks more highly of Burr's current form than of Higgins'.