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Rich Sun Mar 06, 2011 02:40pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 737113)
Nope. They'll forget a blarge a heckuva lot quicker than they'll forget a completely wrong call. At least both teams get something out of a blarge, even though one team shouldn't. A wrong call just makes the whole crew look bad. And you deliberately letting a wrong call stand makes it even worse imo.

The problem is that both officials in a blarge situation can feel they are completely correct.

Jurassic Referee Sun Mar 06, 2011 03:24pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 737116)
The problem is that both officials in a blarge situation can feel they are completely correct.

True, but if I'm sure that I'm completely correct and I'm in the process of making the call, then I'm still going to make that call. I won't say something lame like "I wasn't going to give the PC signal; I was just scratching my head."

Rich Sun Mar 06, 2011 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 737127)
True, but if I'm sure that I'm completely correct and I'm in the process of making the call, then I'm still going to make that call. I won't say something lame like "I wasn't going to give the PC signal; I was just scratching my head."

I still think proper mechanics dictate that the primary official (as agreed by the crew in the pregame) be given first crack at the call. If a partner who's primary makes a call I feel is completely incorrect, I simply assume he had a different look I did.

Doubtful I'd ever intentionally initiate a blarge.

BillyMac Sun Mar 06, 2011 03:54pm

I Know More About Quantum Physics Than NCAA Rules ...
 
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 737128)
I still think proper mechanics dictate that the primary official (as agreed by the crew in the pregame) be given first crack at the call. If a partner who's primary makes a call I feel is completely incorrect, I simply assume he had a different look I did.

... but isn't this how it's done for NCAA-W?

Raymond Sun Mar 06, 2011 04:53pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 737128)
I still think proper mechanics dictate that the primary official (as agreed by the crew in the pregame) be given first crack at the call. If a partner who's primary makes a call I feel is completely incorrect, I simply assume he had a different look I did.

Doubtful I'd ever intentionally initiate a blarge.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 737133)
... but isn't this how it's done for NCAA-W?

It's how it's supposed to be done at all levels. If 2 fists go up in the air then the primary official should take the call.

JugglingReferee Sun Mar 06, 2011 04:55pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 737150)
It's how it's supposed to be done at all levels. If 2 fists go up in the air then the primary official should take the call.

Some people don't know primary areas though. Especially ball watchers.

VaTerp Sun Mar 06, 2011 05:07pm

I was watching the game and said blarge as soon as I saw the L signal a block. The C didn't give a prelim but you could tell he was going the other way.

I don't know how in the world the L had a block on that. IMO it was an easy PC.

BktBallRef Sun Mar 06, 2011 06:04pm

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Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 737156)
I don't know how in the world the L had a block on that. IMO it was an easy PC.

Because far too many player control fouls are called blocks.

Too many officials don't understand that there is no time/distance on a PC foul. Oh sure, they know what the rule is but as for actually calling the play by rule, far too many are called blocks. They think they "referee the defense" but the truth is they don't truly understand what that means.

Judtech Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:05am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 737150)
It's how it's supposed to be done at all levels. If 2 fists go up in the air then the primary official should take the call.

You are correct on a double whistle in this type of situation. However, if double preliminaries are called, that is where we get into a sticky wicket.
IMO, the NCAA-W handle this correctly, but of course I am probably biased:D

Judtech Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:14am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 737113)
Nope. They'll forget a blarge a heckuva lot quicker than they'll forget a completely wrong call. At least both teams get something out of a blarge, even though one team shouldn't. A wrong call just makes the whole crew look bad. And you deliberately letting a wrong call stand makes it even worse imo.

First of all, who do you mean by "They"? Assignors? A "Blarge" call usually makes the rounds around the Ref gossip tree only slightly less quicker then an ejection. People have lost assignments b/c of a blarge. Coaches? I can speak on some authority on that. Most coaches would rather have the call go one way or the other. Sure one might be upset, but isn't that the case with about 90% of all our calls. Players? Well you may be correct there, they have a hard enough time remembering to keep their shirts tucked in!:D
Also, by having a blarge, you are doing exactly what you say you are trying to avoid in blue. You are deliberately letting a wrong call stand since only one of the offiicals can be correct.
NCAA-W handle the situation differently than NCAA-M and NFHS. IMO, the best way to avoid this situation is:
"Double whistles are good, double signals are bad".

jalons Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:45am

:confused:

I heard a story of a substate game (winner advances to the state tournament) last week where one official blarged himself! From the account I was given (I was not at the game), the defender stepped in front of the ball handler and may or may not have taken contact. The defender fell to the ground and the calling official blew his whistle, signaled a player control foul with one hand and a blocking foul with the other. I guess it took about five minutes for the crew to piece everything together before they reported a blarge.

And this guy was working the game based on recommendations from coaches...

Judtech Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:53am

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Originally Posted by jalons (Post 737357)
:confused:

I heard a story of a substate game (winner advances to the state tournament) last week where one official blarged himself! From the account I was given (I was not at the game), the defender stepped in front of the ball handler and may or may not have taken contact. The defender fell to the ground and the calling official blew his whistle, signaled a player control foul with one hand and a blocking foul with the other. I guess it took about five minutes for the crew to piece everything together before they reported a blarge.

And this guy was working the game based on recommendations from coaches...

That is actually too funny.
Sort of like a coach asking for a "45 sec" TO. They held one arm out and touched their shoulder with the other hand!!

tomegun Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:22am

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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 737360)
That is actually too funny.
Sort of like a coach asking for a "45 sec" TO. They held one arm out and touched their shoulder with the other hand!!

Actually that is pretty sad. A bad signal at the spot is one thing, but taking five minutes and ending up with a blarge by one official is ridiculous.

Adam Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:28am

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Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 737365)
Actually that is pretty sad. A bad signal at the spot is one thing, but taking five minutes and ending up with a blarge by one official is ridiculous.

I agree, if it happened as told. I'm guessing the length of the conversation has increased with each telling, though. I'd love to get the calling official's perspective (or even one of his partners) before passing judgment too harshly.

Although the idea of a single official coming to a blarge seems ridiculous regardless of what else happens.

Terrapins Fan Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:47am

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Originally Posted by judtech (Post 737337)
first of all, who do you mean by "they"? Assignors? A "blarge" call usually makes the rounds around the ref gossip tree only slightly less quicker then an ejection. People have lost assignments b/c of a blarge. Coaches? I can speak on some authority on that. Most coaches would rather have the call go one way or the other. Sure one might be upset, but isn't that the case with about 90% of all our calls. Players? Well you may be correct there, they have a hard enough time remembering to keep their shirts tucked in!:d
also, by having a blarge, you are doing exactly what you say you are trying to avoid in blue. You are deliberately letting a wrong call stand since only one of the offiicals can be correct.
Ncaa-w handle the situation differently than ncaa-m and nfhs. Imo, the best way to avoid this situation is:
"double whistles are good, double signals are bad".

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