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Old Fri Mar 04, 2011, 09:51am
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I've had the ball get stuck between the rim and backboard before, always because of a shot. But this season, I had it stuck there because of a missed free throw that rolled off of the flange!
AP arrow in this scenario too, right?
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Old Fri Mar 04, 2011, 09:58am
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AP arrow in this scenario too, right?
Correct, since in my case the ball became live with a rebound because the last free throw was missed. (And not a throw-in.)
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Old Fri Mar 04, 2011, 10:23am
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How's about if as the ball becomes dead and sits there, right before you put air in your whistle, B1 jumps up and knocks it off? Whatcha got?
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Old Fri Mar 04, 2011, 10:25am
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How's about if as the ball becomes dead and sits there, right before you put air in your whistle, B1 jumps up and knocks it off? Whatcha got?
Does the whistle make the ball dead, or is it already dead? (Rhetorical question)
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Old Sun Mar 06, 2011, 12:25am
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I've seen it once. This is a violation by the free thrower as the free throw ends.
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Old Sun Mar 06, 2011, 12:43am
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I've seen it once. This is a violation by the free thrower as the free throw ends.
That is my understanding, on a FT it is a violation, on a FG try it is AP Arrow.

Had the ball get lodged between rim and glass on a 3pt attempt this weekend.

Sadly enough, I must admit I kicked the crap out of this call at the start of this season, ruled a FG "wedge" a violation. About a one trip up the floor later, I am kicking myself when I realize what I had done. Won't make that mistake again, and thankfully didn't this weekend.
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Old Sun Mar 06, 2011, 12:50am
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I've seen it once. This is a violation by the free thrower as the free throw ends.
Why is this a violation by the thrower? They did nothing wrong. This is no different if a shot is attempted and the same thing happens during any other aspect of the game.

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Old Sun Mar 06, 2011, 12:59am
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Why is this a violation by the thrower? They did nothing wrong. This is no different if a shot is attempted and the same thing happens during any other aspect of the game.

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JR, nice catch... poor choice of words on my part. I do not believe it to be a "Violation", rather a "missed FT".

So if first attempt on a 1-and-1, it is not an AP arrow, but a missed FT and turnover.
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Old Fri Mar 04, 2011, 10:33am
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How's about if as the ball becomes dead and sits there, right before you put air in your whistle, B1 jumps up and knocks it off? Whatcha got?
i've got a player who can jump a whole lot higher than me.

seriously though, i don't know...off to the case book!!
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Old Fri Mar 04, 2011, 11:04am
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The distance from backboard to ring is less than the diameter of the basketball, so if anyone touches the ball while it is on the flange, they commit basket interference.

In fact, it'd be BI unless the ball had started falling after rolling off the flange.
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Old Fri Mar 04, 2011, 11:10am
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The distance from backboard to ring is less than the diameter of the basketball, so if anyone touches the ball while it is on the flange, they commit basket interference.

In fact, it'd be BI unless the ball had started falling after rolling off the flange.
Are you answering grunewar's question? If so, how does Bob's question play into the equation?
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Old Fri Mar 04, 2011, 11:21am
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Are you answering grunewar's question? If so, how does Bob's question play into the equation?
Sorry - I made an assumption (but I shouldn't've) that it was clear that the ball was still live.

My comment was to state that even if you rule that the ball is still live while it is stationary, and anyone jumps touching it, it is a violation. Having a situation like this is against the spirit of the purpose of rules, so it should become a dead ball immediately - and go with the arrow.

So the only way to rule it live it when you believe that a player can touch the ball without violating and that means the ball hasn't come to a stop, and even then, the player has to wait until the ball has started to fall.
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