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stiffler3492 Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:03am

Don't have my books on me...
 
Legal uniforms?

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GoodwillRef Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:18am

Who cares!!!!!

bob jenkins Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:21am

No, but they have a waiver.

Raymond Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 735913)
Who cares!!!!!

People who work state tournaments.

grunewar Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 735913)
Who cares!!!!!

Fashion Police!

(BillyMac will be by with his badge later!)

mikeref Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:39am

who cares???? the same guys who care if you wear a lanyard or not...or are those rules it is ok to ignore?

grunewar Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:43am

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Originally Posted by mikeref (Post 735920)
who cares???? the same guys who care if you wear a lanyard or not...or are those rules it is ok to ignore?

Can you elaborate on this a bit?

The question specifically refers to these school uniforms not complying with specific rules guidelines, where, in the past there have been severe penalties or refs have chosen to look the other way - hence a discussion has ensued.

What does that have to do with lanyards and referee dress codes, probably established locally?

JRutledge Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:58am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 735915)
People who work state tournaments.

And if you do not care or enforce these rules here, you might not be working much of those at all. ;)

Peace

Larks Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 735913)
Who cares!!!!!

Looking for "Like" button...

bainsey Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:08pm

Does it really matter whether we care?

stiffler3492 Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 735914)
No, but they have a waiver.

Were they using these before a rule change or something? I don't get how the waiver process works.

Zoochy Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:30pm

what makes the uniform illegal? Is it that the school name is above and below the number?

Raymond Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:34pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 735934)
Were they using these before a rule change or something? I don't get how the waiver process works.

Usually something handled through the state association. Also, usually something that doesn't come up until state tournament time when you have state observers at games and officials working teams they haven't seen all season.

I'm thinking "who cares?" is not the proper answer an official should give if asked by an observer at the game.

bob jenkins Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 735934)
Were they using these before a rule change or something? I don't get how the waiver process works.

they ask the state (IL), and the state issues one. The list of schools with a waiver is on the officials' portion of the ihsa web-site

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 735939)
what makes the uniform illegal? Is it that the school name is above and below the number?

the stripes. The torso needs to be a single solid color.

JRutledge Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:50pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 735934)
Were they using these before a rule change or something? I don't get how the waiver process works.

It was assumed when the North Lawndale situation happen that this was just a problem in certain schools or maybe areas. Last year there were almost 100 schools that had illegal uniforms and in order not to have a T every game, if a uniform was illegal the IHSA asked officials to file a Special Report if they believed the uniforms were illegal and in many cases schools the schools were given one. Schools do not buy uniforms every year and many are on a cycle of purchases for uniforms every 3 or 4 years so the waiver process changed how games would be played without them.

Peace

GoodwillRef Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 735915)
People who work state tournaments.

In WI this is not the referee's responsibility.

stiffler3492 Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 735953)
In WI this is not the referee's responsibility.

It's not a referee's responsibility to enforce a rule that's in the book?

GoodwillRef Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeref (Post 735920)
who cares???? the same guys who care if you wear a lanyard or not...or are those rules it is ok to ignore?

One is a school issue taken up with the state and doesn't fall under our jurisdiction in WI. Wearing a lanyard is not a rule...but a requirement in the manual...and if you worked without a lanyard properly I wouldn't have an issue at all.

GoodwillRef Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:59pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 735954)
It's not a referee's responsibility to enforce a rule that's in the book?

We notify the state and the state takes up the issue with that school. I have not heard about this being an issue in WI.

stiffler3492 Wed Mar 02, 2011 01:03pm

Gotcha. You made it sound like WI referees didn't care about or are supposed to ignore the uniform rule.

GoodwillRef Wed Mar 02, 2011 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 735959)
Gotcha. You made it sound like WI referees didn't care about or are supposed to ignore the uniform rule.

I am guessing most officials can't tell you if the uniforms legal or illegal.

JRutledge Wed Mar 02, 2011 01:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 735955)
One is a school issue taken up with the state and doesn't fall under our jurisdiction in WI. Wearing a lanyard is not a rule...but a requirement in the manual...and if you worked without a lanyard properly I wouldn't have an issue at all.

This is why I think this comparison is faulty. We do a lot of things that are never going to be in any manual, but if you want to work you will do them. ;)

Peace

Raymond Wed Mar 02, 2011 02:22pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 735957)
We notify the state and the state takes up the issue with that school. I have not heard about this being an issue in WI.

So, you do care. Otherwise why the requirement to report it to the state office?

And in VA a black lanyard or "smitty" is listed as part of the official uniform for the state tournament. Now, I have no idea what effect on an official's state tourney career not having a lanyard would have.

BillyMac Wed Mar 02, 2011 07:10pm

No, This Is Better, Much Better ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 735917)
Fashion Police! BillyMac will be by with his badge later!

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GoodwillRef Thu Mar 03, 2011 06:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 735981)
So, you do care. Otherwise why the requirement to report it to the state office?

And in VA a black lanyard or "smitty" is listed as part of the official uniform for the state tournament. Now, I have no idea what effect on an official's state tourney career not having a lanyard would have.

Okay...I care enough to send off an email! :)

mikeref Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:08pm

Oh please please please define.."properly " for me!!! how many times have you had the opportunity to tell me in person and never did?? I dont believe rolled up sleves are the proper way to wear warmup jackets either......:)

NoFussRef Thu Mar 03, 2011 05:22pm

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Originally Posted by mikeref (Post 736243)
Oh please please please define.."properly " for me!!! how many times have you had the opportunity to tell me in person and never did?? I dont believe rolled up sleves are the proper way to wear warmup jackets either......:)

Actually...
If rolling up your sleeves accents the belt you are wearing... :D

Besides, the sleeves get in the way when you are shooting baskets during intermissions. :D


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