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Hawks Coach Mon Nov 25, 2002 04:54pm

We had a girls MS game recently wher we played an entire half without a held ball. I didn't realize it until the opposing coach tried to contest the possession arrow after halftime, claiming that we had won the tip and there had been no held ball (he was correct on the second count, but we had nver controlled the ball on the tip and it went OOB to them - our arrow). This led to several questions on my part regarding no held balls in girls MS.

1) Is this some kind of record - should I call Guiness now?

2) Isn't this some kind of violation?

3) Does anything that happened in the first half really count?

mick Mon Nov 25, 2002 05:02pm

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
We had a girls MS game recently wher we played an entire half without a held ball. I didn't realize it until the opposing coach tried to contest the possession arrow after halftime, claiming that we had won the tip and there had been no held ball (he was correct on the second count, but we had nver controlled the ball on the tip and it went OOB to them - our arrow). This led to several questions on my part regarding no held balls in girls MS.

1) Is this some kind of record - should I call Guiness now?

2) Isn't this some kind of violation?

3) Does anything that happened in the first half really count?

Cute! :)

DownTownTonyBrown Mon Nov 25, 2002 05:08pm

Perhaps this is a correctable error.....

Have the teams switch benches and start the game over.... with a different colored ball.

How could you have let this happen?

Mregor Mon Nov 25, 2002 05:08pm

Violation, playing defense with feet and not hands! I'm not sure of the approriate signal though.

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 25, 2002 06:27pm

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
We had a girls MS game recently wher we played an entire half without a held ball. I didn't realize it until the opposing coach tried to contest the possession arrow after halftime, claiming that we had won the tip and there had been no held ball (he was correct on the second count, but we had nver controlled the ball on the tip and it went OOB to them - our arrow). This led to several questions on my part regarding no held balls in girls MS.

1) Is this some kind of record - should I call Guiness now?

2) Isn't this some kind of violation?

3) Does anything that happened in the first half really count?

Come back to the board when you wake up.

Rick Vietti Mon Nov 25, 2002 07:03pm

You must have been working in a different country.

Marty Rogers Mon Nov 25, 2002 07:19pm

A middle school girls game with no held balls for an entire half is probably a record, and a definitely miracle!

Hawks Coach Mon Nov 25, 2002 07:36pm

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Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
Perhaps this is a correctable error.....

Have the teams switch benches and start the game over.... with a different colored ball.

How could you have let this happen?

Excellent response Tony. Perhaps you have come upon the answer, both to these questions, and that longtime question about female hoops, "Where on earth did the WNBA come up with that orange and white ball?"

I must make clear that, as a coach, I was the one person who could not impact this no held ball situation. Every time I go on the court, I get T'd - but that's another thread!

as for why the refs never saw a held ball, I don't know. Joe Paterno told me that they were Big Ten refs from Michigan (and I am still trying to figure out why it matters). Last I heard, he was still chasing them demanding the first half be replayed.

Tim Roden Tue Nov 26, 2002 02:41am

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
We had a girls MS game recently wher we played an entire half without a held ball. I didn't realize it until the opposing coach tried to contest the possession arrow after halftime, claiming that we had won the tip and there had been no held ball (he was correct on the second count, but we had nver controlled the ball on the tip and it went OOB to them - our arrow). This led to several questions on my part regarding no held balls in girls MS.

1) Is this some kind of record - should I call Guiness now?

2) Isn't this some kind of violation?

3) Does anything that happened in the first half really count?

Record? No. In my rookie season, the game I was evaluated on was a girls JV game in which we survived the entire game without a held ball. See if I ever use a girls JV game for an evaluation again.

Violation? Yes. As a coach you should be scoulding the girls about going after loose balls.

I have learned since doing varsity games: Don't judge a game by the first half. The second half is when you start ejecting coaches that you thought were wonderful in the first half.

rainmaker Tue Nov 26, 2002 06:43pm

Hawks' Coach -- do you play running time halves? Why was there no qrrow used at the beginning of the the second quarter? That would be where the refs should warn the caoches, that if there weren't some held balls, things were going to get too masculine!

Hawks Coach Tue Nov 26, 2002 11:08pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Hawks' Coach -- do you play running time halves? Why was there no qrrow used at the beginning of the the second quarter? That would be where the refs should warn the caoches, that if there weren't some held balls, things were going to get too masculine!
Fall league, so yes, 16 minute halves, running time except in last minute, etc. So no second quarter this time - and yes, it does go much quicker that way so it's not like a full half of basketball. The game started at 8:30 AM (like half our games this fall), I haven't even finished my coffee, its halftime, and I forgot to yell at the refs. What a tough life we coaches lead.

And Tim, you nailed it on the head, by the way. My girls got an earful about their defensive effort in that game. But we'll take a win any way they come and follow up with some fun defense only practices as a reward for a good effort.


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