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grunewar Mon Feb 28, 2011 08:11am

Cheerleader T Almost Costs Louisville Game....
 
Technical foul on cheerleader nearly costs Louisville a victory - The Dagger - NCAAB - Yahoo! Sports

eyezen Mon Feb 28, 2011 08:43am

Pitino needs a T for his Colonel Sanders impression

Scrapper1 Mon Feb 28, 2011 08:46am

I'm not even sure why this was a T, considering the clock showed all zeros and the article said the horn had sounded.

Even if they have to put 0.5 seconds back on the clock, how is the cheerleader's action delaying the game? The officials will have to go to the monitor to find the correct time, so how did the kid's action have any effect on the game? :confused:

bob jenkins Mon Feb 28, 2011 08:52am

I saw a blurb on this on the Yahoo front page and thought I would see that chseagle had posted it here.

grunewar Mon Feb 28, 2011 08:54am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 734986)
I saw a blurb on this on the Yahoo front page and thought I would see that chseagle had posted it here.

At least mine directly deals with officiating! ;)

Welpe Mon Feb 28, 2011 09:30am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 734986)
I saw a blurb on this on the Yahoo front page and thought I would see that chseagle had posted it here.

Ouch. :eek:

grunewar Mon Feb 28, 2011 09:36am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 734994)
Ouch. :eek:

Yeah, I know, that one kinda hurt a bit.

While Bob and I have never been "close," that one smarted! ;)

mbyron Mon Feb 28, 2011 09:43am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 734995)
Yeah, I know, that one kinda hurt a bit.

While Bob and I have never been "close," that one smarted! ;)

I wouldn't take it personally. There's bound to be some chseagle blowback from time to time.

JBleach85 Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 734979)
I'm not even sure why this was a T, considering the clock showed all zeros and the article said the horn had sounded.

Even if they have to put 0.5 seconds back on the clock, how is the cheerleader's action delaying the game? The officials will have to go to the monitor to find the correct time, so how did the kid's action have any effect on the game? :confused:


This was a huge mistake that thankfully didn't cost Louisville the game. As for the technical foul it falls under 10.9d under Admin. Fouls, and team followers.

9d: Delaying the game be preventing the ball from being promoptly made live or by preventing continuous play...

That is the reason why it represents a T, because the male cheerleader picked up the ball and threw it in the air. As for the horn it went off after, he the male cheerleader, picked up the ball. There was about .5 left on the clock when Kuric flushed the dunked, so that is why they went to the monitor to find the correct time.

I hope that helps and clears everything up.

GoodwillRef Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:58am

I hope that cheerleader had his scholarship revoked!

Adam Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBleach85 (Post 735010)
This was a huge mistake that thankfully didn't cost Louisville the game. As for the technical foul it falls under 10.9d under Admin. Fouls, and team followers.

9d: Delaying the game be preventing the ball from being promoptly made live or by preventing continuous play...

That is the reason why it represents a T, because the male cheerleader picked up the ball and threw it in the air. As for the horn it went off after, he the male cheerleader, picked up the ball. There was about .5 left on the clock when Kuric flushed the dunked, so that is why they went to the monitor to find the correct time.

I hope that helps and clears everything up.

So the ball went through the hoop, into the hands of the cheerleader who then threw it into the air. All this happened in .5 second?

GoodwillRef Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:03am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 735025)
So the ball went through the hoop, into the hands of the cheerleader who then threw it into the air. All this happened in .5 second?

The clock should have stopped on the made basket...it seems to stop at .5 and then start again and runs to zero.

Scrapper1 Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBleach85 (Post 735010)
This was a huge mistake that thankfully didn't cost Louisville the game. As for the technical foul it falls under 10.9d under Admin. Fouls, and team followers.

9d: Delaying the game be preventing the ball from being promoptly made live or by preventing continuous play...

That is the reason why it represents a T, because the male cheerleader picked up the ball and threw it in the air.

I understand what happened and the rule reference. But read the rule again. The technical foul is for "DELAYING the game". This cheerleader did not do that. The clock had already expired and the horn had apparently sounded. So there was going to be a delay anyway, while the officials fixed the clock.

The cheerleader's actions do not fall under the rule you cited.

Adam Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:20am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 735026)
The clock should have stopped on the made basket...it seems to stop at .5 and then start again and runs to zero.

Ah. Nothing like a home team timer.

Raymond Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:22am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 735027)
I understand what happened and the rule reference. But read the rule again. The technical foul is for "DELAYING the game". This cheerleader did not do that. The clock had already expired and the horn had apparently sounded. So there was going to be a delay anyway, while the officials fixed the clock.

The cheerleader's actions do not fall under the rule you cited.

That's if the article is correct in its description of the play. According to Bleach the clock stopped after the made basket, the cheerleader pick up the ball, and then the clock started again. The action by the cheerleader thus prevented Pitt for getting the ball at their disposal.

Guess we need someone to youtube this one for us.

Adam Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 735027)
I understand what happened and the rule reference. But read the rule again. The technical foul is for "DELAYING the game". This cheerleader did not do that. The clock had already expired and the horn had apparently sounded. So there was going to be a delay anyway, while the officials fixed the clock.

The cheerleader's actions do not fall under the rule you cited.

Agreed, but this will be a good (and cheap) lesson to cheerleaders everywhere to leave the ball alone.

I do wonder, though, whether they would have called this T if a player had launched the ball like that.

Adam Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:43am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 735041)
That's if the article is correct in its description of the play. According to Bleach the clock stopped after the made basket, the cheerleader pick up the ball, and then the clock started again. The action by the cheerleader thus prevented Pitt for getting the ball at their disposal.

Guess we need someone to youtube this one for us.

There's a video at the link in the OP, and it's hard to tell on my screen for sure, but it looks like the timer lets the clock run all the way down after the ball is thrown. So, when it was thrown, the clock was stopped (presumably at .5, it's hard for me to tell).

I can't hear the horn, either, so that's hard to tell.

If that's correct, then you've got the cheerleaders on the court celebrating with time still on the clock.

Now, another question is coaching. Why in the world would he take that shot?

JBleach85 Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:45am

YouTube - Louisville cheerleader almost costs them the game

There is the video for everyone to see. If you watch the video around :18 seconds you will see the clock is down .3, and then the cheerleader jumps for joy and grabs the ball and tossed it in the air before the old L --> new T, blows his whistle.

They went back and looked at the monitor to determind how much time was left after the ball went through the basket at .5. That is where it should have stopped and played should have resumed from there except for the bonehead T for the cheerleader.

I hope this helps everyone.

Adam Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:52am

Which means the CL tossing the ball delayed the game; unless the officials would have checked the monitor with .3 seconds showing on the clock and a 5 point lead.

26 Year Gap Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:55am

It is a stretch to say the cheerleader 'almost' cost them the game. Both FTs would need to be successful and a successful 3 pointer inbounded with.5 left. Not impossible. But, extremely improbable.

Raymond Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:55am

Thanks Bleach. The clock had most definitely stopped after the dunk and was still sitting on 0.03 after the cheerleader launched the ball. Then for some reason they restarted the clock.

So the video review was to see where the clock should be reset to at which time they reset it to 0.05 instead of 0.03.

So, IMO, it was a righteous T.

GoodwillRef Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:59am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 735037)
Ah. Nothing like a home team timer.

The timer just signed a new 3 year deal...:)

Jesse James Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 735051)

Now, another question is coaching. Why in the world would he take that shot?

Yeah, the audacity of a coach to support a break-away gimme to make it a two possession game with fractional time left.

Pitino should have foreseen this flaming meteor.

Good grief.

Adam Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesse James (Post 735065)
Yeah, the audacity of a coach to support a break-away gimme to make it a two possession game with fractional time left.

Pitino should have foreseen this flaming meteor.

Good grief.

Sorry, did you need me to put a smilie on that?

bob jenkins Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 735055)
Which means the CL tossing the ball delayed the game; unless the officials would have checked the monitor with .3 seconds showing on the clock and a 5 point lead.

99% (SWAG) of the time they will check the monitor in this situation.

Judtech Mon Feb 28, 2011 04:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 735025)
So the ball went through the hoop, into the hands of the cheerleader who then threw it into the air. All this happened in .5 second?

IF you see it live, it makes more sense. The great thing is this cheerleader has a lot of pretty young southern ladies to help ease him through this difficult time:D Who is the fool now!

Judtech Mon Feb 28, 2011 04:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesse James (Post 735065)
Yeah, the audacity of a coach to support a break-away gimme to make it a two possession game with fractional time left.

Pitino should have foreseen this flaming meteor.

Good grief.

He actually wasn't really that happy the kid took the shot. He could have just dribbled the clock out.
And BTW, there was someone else in the stands who REALLY looked like Col Sanders!

Adam Mon Feb 28, 2011 04:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 735187)
IF you see it live, it makes more sense. The great thing is this cheerleader has a lot of pretty young southern ladies to help ease him through this difficult time:D Who is the fool now!

Maybe, but if he'd have cost Louisville that game, he'd have needed to move to Lexington or Memphis to get so much as a sniff of perfume.

chseagle Tue Mar 01, 2011 01:15am

Watching the replay right now on CBS College Sports, & there were a couple of goof ups by the timer.

chseagle Tue Mar 01, 2011 01:41am

After seeing the replay on CBS College Sports, the officiating crew was right in assessing the T.

The clock did happen to stop at 0.3, however without the ball being out into play except by the "Yell King" the clock did restart without Pitt inbounding.

The time should not of ticked off so there was a delay of game due to the game not being yet over.

Raymond Tue Mar 01, 2011 08:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 735356)
After seeing the replay on CBS College Sports, the officiating crew was right in assessing the T.

The clock did happen to stop at 0.3, however without the ball being out into play except by the "Yell King" the clock did restart without Pitt inbounding.

The time should not of ticked off so there was a delay of game due to the game not being yet over.


Hey chseagle, I think I already said that. :cool:

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...tml#post735057

bob jenkins Tue Mar 01, 2011 08:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 735356)
After seeing the replay on CBS College Sports, the officiating crew was right in assessing the T.

The clock did happen to stop at 0.3, however without the ball being out into play except by the "Yell King" the clock did restart without Pitt inbounding.

The time should not of ticked off so there was a delay of game due to the game not being yet over.

But, if the clock started in error, then the officials would have stopped play to re-set the clock. So, the cheerleader's actions did not affect (delay) the game.

Eastshire Tue Mar 01, 2011 09:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 735433)
But, if the clock started in error, then the officials would have stopped play to re-set the clock. So, the cheerleader's actions did not affect (delay) the game.

But did the cheerleader's mistake induce the timing error? If the officials thought so then the cheerleader did cause the game to be delayed.

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 01, 2011 09:03am

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 735434)
But did the cheerleader's mistake induce the timing error? If the officials thought so then the cheerleader did cause the game to be delayed.

The timer should have used his taser on the cheerleader. Problem solved.:D


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