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swkansasref33 Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:38pm

Pre-Game meetings, captain meetings NFHS
 
looking for stuff to discuss during pre-game meetings with officials and then captains meetings as well. Working a NIRSA tourney @ KU this weekend.

Raymond Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:45pm

Captain's meeting: Tell your teammates we aren't taking any sh!t today so play ball and STFU.

swkansasref33 Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 734397)
Captain's meeting: Tell your teammates we aren't taking any sh!t today so play ball and STFU.

hahahaha. if only if only.

APG Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:50pm

Captains meeting: "Captains, control your players before we have to." That, for the most part, it is. I know when I did a NIRSA tournament a couple of years back, they had us read some sportsmanship spiel off a card for the meeting. That didn't last into the second day haha

VaTerp Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:57pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 734397)
Captain's meeting: Tell your teammates we aren't taking any sh!t today so play ball and STFU.

Captains meeting that a guy in my association uses and I have stolen for myself a few times.

"Keep your shirts tucked, shorts up, and mouths shut. Any questions?"

swkansasref33 Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:01am

okay, now anyone with a structured pregame conference with your partners?

ref2coach Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by swkansasref33 (Post 734403)
okay, now anyone with a structured pregame conference with your partners?

That stuff in the manual, do it. Put your whistle in you pocket before you pee, see you on the floor at 15.:p

VaTerp Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:13am

My pre-games are relatively short. My two main points are always communication and consistency. Cliff notes version:

Let's communicate as much as possible. Quick eye contact on dead balls, make sure we are all on the same page, slow down and talk to at least one partner if something funny happens, if you warn a coach/player let us know, etc.

Consistency means that we all have our own judgment and way of calling the game but it shouldn't take us long to figure out what the game needs and how we want to call it as a crew. Let me live and die with marginal contact in my area but if you have to get something then do it.

Cover basics like Trail and C taking plays to the basket, L usually has best look at secondary defender, no prelims on double whistles for block/charge, rotate until the end, and a few other things.

Let's have fun.

jeschmit Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:18am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 734400)
Captains meeting: "Captains, control your players before we have to." That, for the most part, it is. I know when I did a NIRSA tournament a couple of years back, they had us read some sportsmanship spiel off a card for the meeting. That didn't last into the second day haha

APG, I gotta do it... YOU'RE DONE!!!! ;)

That was ACIS though, wasn't it? Either way, I had a great time there too!

APG Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 734407)
APG, I gotta do it... YOU'RE DONE!!!! ;)

That was ACIS though, wasn't it? Either way, I had a great time there too!

Yup, that officials meeting was a trip.

As far as pregames go, the officials manual has a good checklist as to what to go over. If you don't have that, I'm sure BillyMac will be along to paste a pregame.

grunewar Sat Feb 26, 2011 08:03am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 734410)
As far as pregames go, the officials manual has a good checklist as to what to go over. If you don't have that, I'm sure BillyMac will be along to paste a pregame.

Or you could use the Search Tool at the top of the Forum and search Pre-Game. I'm sure there's just a few there.

Scrapper1 Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:16am

I was actually complemented by one of my partners yesterday for my standard captains' spiel:

"Guys, if we're talking to you, we're trying to help you. So please listen. If you have a problem with each other, don't take it to him [pointing at opposing players], bring it to us and we'll listen, I promise. It's post-season and we don't want to toss somebody for doing something dumb, so let us handle it. Shirts in, elbows in, have a great game."

Scrapper1 Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:47am

Quick search for pre-games came up with several links. Here are a couple:

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...-pre-game.html

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...re-game-2.html

bob jenkins Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:10am

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Originally Posted by swkansasref33 (Post 734396)
looking for stuff to discuss during pre-game meetings with officials and then captains meetings as well. Working a NIRSA tourney @ KU this weekend.

shouldn't be a whole lot different from the meetings you've had for 50 games (or whatever) this season.

BillyMac Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:31pm

Pregame Meeting ...
 
From my pregame:
Coaches and captains meeting at 5:00: Players properly equipped, Players wearing uniforms properly, Practice good sportsmanship, Adhere to the restrictions, as well as the privileges, of the coaching box.

The following are a few years old and may be outdated:

The National High School Federation and your state association require officials to enforce sportsmanship rules. High school athletics emphasize positive values. All of us have worked hard to create a sense of teamwork, respect, responsibility and perspective. We remind you that we expect good behavior and will quickly penalize misconduct. We encourage and appreciate your help. Let the competition reflect mutual respect among participants and officials. Coaches please certify that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according the NFHS rules. Good luck and have a great contest! (New Jersey State Interscholastic Athletic Association, Kentucky High School Athletic Association)

"PIAA requires all registered sports' officials to enforce the sportsmanship rules for coaches and contestants. Actions meant to demean opposing players, team, spectators and officials are not in the highest ideals of interscholastic education and will not be tolerated. Let today's contest reflect mutual respect. Coaches please certify to the umpire that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according to NFHS rules. Good luck in today's contest." (Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic Association)

To captains: The FHSAA requires officials to enforce all rules regarding unsportsmanlike conduct by players and coaches. Violators will be ejected. It is strongly suggested that you remind your teammates and coaches of this policy. Additionally, this is a simple reminder that jewelry is not allowed, and jerseys must be tucked in during play if they are designed to be worn in. To coaches: Coaches, do you certify that your players are properly equipped and will demonstrate sportsmanlike behavior during today’s contest? (Florida High School Activities Association)

Can you guys in New Jersey, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, and Florida, please update these, if needed.

justacoach Sat Feb 26, 2011 01:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 734458)
I was actually complemented by one of my partners yesterday for my standard captains' spiel"

What did he add to your spiel??:D
Did the players pay any more attention to his comments than they did for yours?

Scrapper1 Sat Feb 26, 2011 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 734490)
What did he add to your spiel??:D
Did the players pay any more attention to his comments than they did for yours?

Oh man. Can you tell I haven't been sleeping well the last few nights???? :eek:

JBleach85 Sat Feb 26, 2011 01:59pm

As these are all good things to do for a pregame meeting with the captains. Normally at the NIRSA tournaments you are giving a pregame speech about sportmanship you are suppose to read. Also, check with your clinicians about anything special they want you to cover regading rules and certain things.

I remember doing those back when I was college, I went a lot of time to the Northeast at Boston Uninversity or the Mid-Atlantic at University of Maryland regionals had a blast learned a lot and also earned a few trips to the National Tournament.

Most important have fun with it and try to learn and with your pregame try to keep it consistant through out the tournament for both Men's and Women's team!

SAK Sat Feb 26, 2011 06:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 734477)

"PIAA requires all registered sports' officials to enforce the sportsmanship rules for coaches and contestants. Actions meant to demean opposing contestants, teams, spectators and officials are not in the highest ideals of interscholastic education and will not be tolerated. Let today's contest reflect mutual respect. Coaches please certify to the contest official(s)that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according to NFHS rules and PIAA adoptions. Good luck in today's contest." (Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic Association)



Can you guys in Pennsylvania please update these, if needed.

Updated for PA.

However, many in the do not read it they actually summarize it. I do it verbatim as some have lost games for not reading the speech.

BillyMac Sat Feb 26, 2011 09:26pm

SAK From The Keystone State ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SAK (Post 734552)
Updated for PA.

Thank you.

26 Year Gap Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by swkansasref33 (Post 734403)
okay, now anyone with a structured pregame conference with your partners?

Ask snaqs.

26 Year Gap Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 734477)
From my pregame:
Coaches and captains meeting at 5:00: Players properly equipped, Players wearing uniforms properly, Practice good sportsmanship, Adhere to the restrictions, as well as the privileges, of the coaching box.

The following are a few years old and may be outdated:

The National High School Federation and your state association require officials to enforce sportsmanship rules. High school athletics emphasize positive values. All of us have worked hard to create a sense of teamwork, respect, responsibility and perspective. We remind you that we expect good behavior and will quickly penalize misconduct. We encourage and appreciate your help. Let the competition reflect mutual respect among participants and officials. Coaches please certify that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according the NFHS rules. Good luck and have a great contest! (New Jersey State Interscholastic Athletic Association, Kentucky High School Athletic Association)

"PIAA requires all registered sports' officials to enforce the sportsmanship rules for coaches and contestants. Actions meant to demean opposing players, team, spectators and officials are not in the highest ideals of interscholastic education and will not be tolerated. Let today's contest reflect mutual respect. Coaches please certify to the umpire that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according to NFHS rules. Good luck in today's contest." (Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic Association)

To captains: The FHSAA requires officials to enforce all rules regarding unsportsmanlike conduct by players and coaches. Violators will be ejected. It is strongly suggested that you remind your teammates and coaches of this policy. Additionally, this is a simple reminder that jewelry is not allowed, and jerseys must be tucked in during play if they are designed to be worn in. To coaches: Coaches, do you certify that your players are properly equipped and will demonstrate sportsmanlike behavior during today’s contest? (Florida High School Activities Association)

Can you guys in New Jersey, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, and Florida, please update these, if needed.

I've got a card, but I don't read it.

Terrapins Fan Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 734468)
shouldn't be a whole lot different from the meetings you've had for 50 games (or whatever) this season.

Agreed. It's just a game like the last 40 or 50 we've done. Do your best. Half the fans are going to hate/blame you regardless.

Have fun.

billyu2 Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by swkansasref33 (Post 734403)
okay, now anyone with a structured pregame conference with your partners?

I use the HORSE pre-game conference:

H: hustle - work hard to get good angles and correct positions
held ball-stay with players, partner will check arrow
AP throw-in: review situations that may occur before throw-in ends
(fouls, violations, kicked ball that may or may not affect
the arrow)
honesty, integrity
home team - always wins (just kidding)

O: obvious- call the obvious, don't miss the obvious!
one and one- communicate at 6, help get shooter
official NFHS mechanics, no NCAA
outside play- handchecking, 5 sec. counts, screens, 3 pt. tries

R: respect the coaches/players, be professional and patient but penalize if
they disrespect us in a way that cannot be ignored.
review-anything unusual that occurs, get together-make sure we get
everything correct (technical fouls, correctable errors, etc.)
rim-if applicable, be alert for GT, BI

S: support each other-work as a team, communicate
seconds- accurate counts, 5 sec. counts 6' not 3', last second shots
subs- let all report, count players
similar plays call similar ways

E: enthusiasm for the game, energetic
errors-wrong OB call, changing a 2 to 3, or 3 to 2, timeframe for CE's.
enjoy the opportunity


Having said all that, go out there and HORSE around!

refiator Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:56pm

If I hear one more official tell the girls in the pregame not to hang on the rim, I am going to puke.

26 Year Gap Sun Feb 27, 2011 07:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by billyu2 (Post 734614)
I use the HORSE pre-game conference:

H: hustle - work hard to get good angles and correct positions
held ball-stay with players, partner will check arrow
AP throw-in: review situations that may occur before throw-in ends
(fouls, violations, kicked ball that may or may not affect
the arrow)
honesty, integrity
home team - always wins (just kidding)

O: obvious- call the obvious, don't miss the obvious!
one and one- communicate at 6, help get shooter
official NFHS mechanics, no NCAA
outside play- handchecking, 5 sec. counts, screens, 3 pt. tries

R: respect the coaches/players, be professional and patient but penalize if
they disrespect us in a way that cannot be ignored.
review-anything unusual that occurs, get together-make sure we get
everything correct (technical fouls, correctable errors, etc.)
rim-if applicable, be alert for GT, BI

S: support each other-work as a team, communicate
seconds- accurate counts, 5 sec. counts 6' not 3', last second shots
subs- let all report, count players
similar plays call similar ways

E: enthusiasm for the game, energetic
errors-wrong OB call, changing a 2 to 3, or 3 to 2, timeframe for CE's.
enjoy the opportunity


Having said all that, go out there and HORSE around!

Are you trying to replace Snaq's sig?

Raymond Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 734693)
Are you trying to replace Snaq's sig?

He's referring to his pre-game with his partners, not the captains.

26 Year Gap Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 734733)
He's referring to his pre-game with his partners, not the captains.

My mistake. I guess there has been so much discussion on the captains meetings that I got carried away.


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