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Rich Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 734475)
Not to at least one esteemed Forum member.
Well, that would be absurd, not protecting an airborne shooter to the floor.

BillyMac Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:42pm
Airborne Shooter ???
 
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 734476)
Well, that would be absurd, not protecting an airborne shooter to the floor.
I'm sure he'll be moseying along shortly to give his rationale.

just another ref Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 734476)
Well, that would be absurd, not protecting an airborne shooter to the floor.
Why did that philosophy not apply here?

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...ood-block.html

Rich Sat Feb 26, 2011 01:14pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 734483)
Why did that philosophy not apply here?

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...ood-block.html
Because the contact was incidental to a clean block of the basketball. In my case the defender took a wild swing, missed the ball, and knocked the shooter to the floor.

Context matters. You sound like a coach who says "the same thing happened at the other end of the floor and you didn't call a foul."

just another ref Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:44pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 734476)
Well, that would be absurd, not protecting an airborne shooter to the floor.
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 734487)
Because the contact was incidental to a clean block of the basketball. In my case the defender took a wild swing, missed the ball, and knocked the shooter to the floor.
If there was contact, it was not a clean block.

"Incidental contact" which knocks the shooter to the floor is ok, but a "wild swing" which knocks the shooter to the floor is not?

APG Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:53pm
There most definitely can be a clean block even if there's contact.

just another ref Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:56pm
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 734622)
There most definitely can be a clean block even if there's contact.
If the contact puts the shooter on the floor?

APG Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:59pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 734624)
If the contact puts the shooter on the floor?
I'm just addressing your statement that sounded like you were saying if there's contact, it isn't a clean block.

just another ref Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:08am
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 734626)
I'm just addressing your statement that sounded like you were saying if there's contact, it isn't a clean block.
Poorly worded. We're discussing a specific play from a previous thread.

APG Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:11am
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 734631)
Poorly worded. We're discussing a specific play from a previous thread.
I was just clarifying for those that didn't know the context of the sentence. And for what it's worth, I thought JRut's and Rich's explanations in the other thread were pretty sufficient. I see the difference in this play and the one in the previous thread as, the player missed the ball completely on this play.

Rich Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:13am
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 734631)
Poorly worded. We're discussing a specific play from a previous thread.
Which is far different from the play I had. No comparison whatsoever.

(BTW, I do consider getting the ball clean up top reason to excuse some contact that happens afterwards. A wild swing and a miss (of the ball) by a player trying to defend? Not so much.)

just another ref Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:21am
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Originally Posted by RichMSN

If the shot attempt is altered by the contact, if the player is put at a disadvantage in making the shot attempt, I'll call the foul.


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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 734634)
(BTW, I do consider getting the ball clean up top reason to excuse some contact that happens afterwards. A wild swing and a miss (of the ball) by a player trying to defend? Not so much.)
If the guy swung at the ball and missed, and in doing so contacted the shooter on his way down, why is this not incidental?

Rich Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:31am
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 734632)
And for what it's worth, I doubt JRut's and Rich's explanations in the other thread were pretty sufficient.
I really don't care to debate this further with the belted one who scabs for $31 a game, but I am interested in what you mean by this....

APG Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:33am
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 734643)
I really don't care to debate this further with the belted one who scabs for $31 a game, but I am interested in what you mean by this....
Umm...that's a complete typo. I meant to say, I THOUGHT. Don't even ask how I messed that one up. :o

just another ref Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:43am
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 734643)
I really don't care to debate this further with the belted one who scabs for $31 a game.......
Now you sound like a coach. You don't like the way things are going so you resort to making a snide personal remark. Classy.


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