A1 is dribbling while running in transition and attempts a pass to A2. A1 does not stop running as he makes the pass.

A2 does not see the pass and the ball becmoes loose. A1 recovers the ball about 15 feet away from where he made the pass attempt. At this point, A1 does not pick up either foot or dribble.

whaddya got?

Larks
VIT

Traveling...

RD

traveling
 

two handed pass - illegal dribble upon recovery
ball came to rest in one hand for a pass - illegal dribble
ball batted toward teammate - nothing.

This all assumes that no one else touched the ball other than A1 - you say the ball became "loose".

Re: traveling
 

And, as you implied, if it did touch someone else, there is no call to be made.

Traveling
 

Read casebook 9.5.3 for support....once a pass has touched a "player"...doesn't matter whether the player is an opponent or a team mate...a new dribble may be started.

Hope this Helps...JO

That's what Camron said...5 days ago! :D

AND what I added was a rule book notation....what did you add with your last comment?

Hope this helps...JO

A little bit of humor maybe,JO.Note the "smilie" that was attached to the post.

Hope this helps...JR.

What if in Lark's example, A1 attempted to pick up the ball with both hands before making a pass, but fumbled it 15 feet away. Can he go pick it up, but not dribble? Is that what's called an interrupted dribble?

Thanks,

Coach Bill

He may pick it up. But, it's not considered an interrupted dribber, its a fumble.

Had this exact play last season in a varsity game. A1 is racing down the court and attempts to grab the ball for a two-handed pass to A2. The ball slips out of his hand and momentum carries them both about 15 feet down court before he retrieves it and passes to A3.

I was trail, and the play happened right in front of the C as it was transitioning into his area from mine; he'd just crossed half court. B coach caught me on my way back down court after that and asked if it I thought it was a travel.

My answer was easy; looked like a fumble from my angle, coach. He nodded his head and dropped the topic.

Did anybody notice that this thread has been resurrected from 2002?

Yep... thought that was very interesting. :)

Bonus question: In which year was JR resurrected? :D

That would mean that if Larks asked that question today, it would be "Traveling Question #1,873,234."

Peace

Does Anybody besides me disagree that ref in PA is wrong in saying that because it is a two handed pass and he goes and retrieves it (without dribbling) that it is a travel?

When did that become illegal? What about power dribbles i.e., post player pounds the ball hard to the floor ONE TIME. That is not an illegal dribble, so what makes this?

The player has every right to go recover the ball w/o being penalized. Maybe I'm missing something here. If so, please enlighten me.

His post was almost 5 years ago. Who really cares at this point? :p

Peace

He did not say it was a travel. He said it was an illegal dribble, which is correct.

In the op, A1 had already used his dribble before the pass attempt.

What you missing is understanding the rules. A two-handed pass is not a fumble that can be legally recovered.

The player <b>ended</b> his first dribble when he touched it with both hands. If he <b>then</b> did a power dribble ONE TIME, that power dribble sureasheck would be an illegal <b>SECOND</b> dribble.

Ok yeah, my bad, i didn't read the sitch right. I missed the part about him dribbling. Sorry. Yes definitely an illegal dribble.

Nevada. Is this a trick question or do you know something I don't?

JR still lists his location as HELL.

Power Dribble?
 

By power dribble do you mean a dribble with two hands on the ball? Why is that legal? Would you allow a point guard bringing the ball up to dribble the ball with two hands? If not, why allow it to the big man in the paint? Is there some rule that allows this?

I'ts legal if it's only one bounce. You can start the dribble by pushing it to the floor with both hands. You can end the dribble by catching it with both hands. You can't dribble again (unless ...)

A power dribble is <b>started</b> with two hands. Perfectly legal. It can also be <b>ended</b> with two hands, also perfectly legal.

Started only
 

Ok, so it can be started with both, but a point guard who while bringing the ball up touches the ball with both hands has violated, correct?

Thanks in advance!

The point guard has not yet violated.

Why not? He can't dribble with two hands. He can only start a dribble with two. Maybe I wasn't clear. I meant he dribbled with two hands sometime after starting his dribble. I know that the rules apply equally to all players.

Nope, touching the ball with both hands simply ends the dribble. It isn't a violation <i>per se</i>.If they dribble again, it is an illegal second dribble. If they end the dribble with a 2-handed fumble, they can go get the ball as long as they also don't dribble again.

Make sense?

Yep, I'm with you now!

If he ended the dribble by touching the ball with 2 hands, then it would be a violation if he dribbled again....even once.

Not until he dribbles again. Doesn't matter if it's the pg or the center.

Here's the problem: "Dribbled with two hands" is not a basketball official's phrase. We care about when a dribble starts (and whether it's leagal to do so), and how a dribble ends.