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Camron Rust Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:25am

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Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 794538)
One more thing..When driving to the gym..we are going to the client's location..not our place of biz or our office.:)

The client is your employer.

Eastshire Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:03pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 794554)
The client is your employer.

We don't have employers; we are independent contractors. Our client is our customer and we have to travel to their place of business to perform our services.

Camron Rust Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:19pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 794560)
We don't have employers; we are independent contractors. Our client is our customer and we have to travel to their place of business to perform our services.

Technically true, I'm sure, but that still doesn't change the fact that your place of business is not considered to be your home by the IRS unless you have a distinct office space set aside for that purpose and only that purpose. Your kitchen table will not count. Most referees don't have a place of business at all.

As such, driving to/from a game from/to your home is considered commuting miles by the IRS, according to the article...and according to what I've heard before. Driving between from one game to another in a day is business miles. Driving from your day job to your game is business miles. Driving BACK to your day job after the game is business miles.

Eastshire Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:35pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 794564)
Technically true, I'm sure, but that still doesn't change the fact that your place of business is not considered to be your home by the IRS unless you have a distinct office space set aside for that purpose and only that purpose. Your kitchen table will not count. Most referees don't have a place of business at all.

You are confusing the rules for the deductibility of a home office with rules for establishing a principal place of business.

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As such, driving to/from a game from/to your home is considered commuting miles by the IRS, according to the article...and according to what I've heard before. Driving between from one game to another in a day is business miles. Driving from your day job to your game is business miles. Driving BACK to your day job after the game is business miles.
That's a minority opinion.

Camron Rust Mon Oct 17, 2011 01:21pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 794574)
You are confusing the rules for the deductibility of a home office with rules for establishing a principal place of business.

I'm not confusing them at all. The point of the examples in the previously cited IRS publications was that the deductability of the miles was directly related to the deductability of a home office.

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 794574)
That's a minority opinion.

The only opinion that matters is that of the IRS. If you get audited and their examples in their publications pretty much say you can't deduct them, the opinion of 100 accountants will not matter.

Requoting the cites made by Altor from the IRS pubs...

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Originally Posted by UncleSam
Publication 463
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Office in the home.
If you have an office in your home that qualifies as a principal place of business, you can deduct your daily transportation costs between your home and another work location in the same trade or business. (See Publication 587, Business Use of Your Home, for information on determining if your home office qualifies as a principal place of business.)
Publication 587
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Your home office will qualify as your principal place of business if you meet the following requirements.
· You use it exclusively and regularly for administrative or management activities of your trade or business.
· You have no other fixed location where you conduct substantial administrative or management activities of your trade or business.
Also, Examples 1 and 2 that begin at the bottom of page 4 would seem to apply to officials.


Camron Rust Mon Oct 17, 2011 01:27pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 794574)
That's a minority opinion.

Another citation form IRS pub 463 (note example 3 in particular)....

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Examples of deductible transportation. The following examples show when you can deduct transportation expenses based on the location of your work and your home.

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Example 2.

Your principal place of business is in your home. You can deduct the cost of round-trip transportation between your qualifying home office and your client's or customer's place of business.

Example 3.

You have no regular office, and you do not have an office in your home. In this case, the location of your first business contact is considered your office. Transportation expenses between your home and this first contact are nondeductible commuting expenses. Transportation expenses between your last business contact and your home are also nondeductible commuting expenses. Although you cannot deduct the costs of these trips, you can deduct the costs of going from one client or customer to another.


BillyMac Mon Oct 17, 2011 06:04pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 794549)
I don't even deduct laundry.

My accountant allows me $5.00 per week for laundry. I usually figure on twelve weeks, or $60.00. If they want to "send me up the river" for that, then so be it. As long as they don't put me in the same cell with Mark Padgett. I'm sure that cell would get pretty hot in the summer, with all that padding.


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