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MelbRef Mon Feb 21, 2011 09:17pm

Handling the ball for 1-and-1 administration?
 
What do you do with the ball when administering a 1-and-1?

What I've seen:
- hold ball in hands with index fingers extended
- same as above, ball between wrists
- bounce the ball, signal 1-and-1, catch ball
- hold ball under one arm/elbow, signal 1-and-1

What is "correct"?

Rich Mon Feb 21, 2011 09:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelbRef (Post 732663)
What do you do with the ball when administering a 1-and-1?

What I've seen:
- hold ball in hands with index fingers extended
- same as above, ball between wrists
- bounce the ball, signal 1-and-1, catch ball
- hold ball under one arm/elbow, signal 1-and-1

What is "correct"?

I do the first. Quite frankly, it doesn't really matter.

JugglingReferee Mon Feb 21, 2011 09:48pm

Between wrists.

stiffler3492 Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:04pm

I usually verbalize, loudly, "1 and 1" while holding the ball.

BktBallRef Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:30pm

"1 & 1!" Bounce the ball and signal as the ball is enroute.

It makes no difference because there's always going to be at least one player who turns and asks, "How many, ref?"

referee99 Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:36pm

Ball under shirt...
 
... and pinkies extended.

derwil Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:48pm

No signal......say loudly "Bonus....one and one". An official I thought highly of once said "there is no way of doing the hand signal gracefully with the ball, so don't do it. If the players don't know what one and one means, they shouldn't be at this level".

BktBallRef Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by derwil (Post 732708)
official I thought highly of once said "there is no way of doing the hand signal gracefully with the ball,..."

Which is why I do it as the ball is passed to the shooter. :p

cmhjordan23 Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:16pm

I say single bonus gentlemen. Ball is live on the miss.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:17pm

For me:

--bounce the ball, signal 1-and-1, catch ball

Nevadaref Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23 (Post 732720)
I say single bonus gentlemen. Ball is live on the miss.

Nope, it's live when caught by the shooter and remains live during the entire FT. Stop saying incorrect information.

Mark Padgett Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23 (Post 732720)
I say single bonus gentlemen.

And how do the girls react to that? :p

bainsey Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:11am

Like others here, I was taught one way:

Bounce the ball to the shooter, then immediately signal and say "one and one!" before the ball is caught.

zm1283 Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 732721)
For me:

--bounce the ball, signal 1-and-1, catch ball

This is exactly how I do it.

Loudwhistle2 Tue Feb 22, 2011 01:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 732677)
I do the first. Quite frankly, it doesn't really matter.

+1 and say one and one!

Freddy Tue Feb 22, 2011 06:54am

Clarity of Number of FT's
 
For the sake of clarity, and to avoid having a correctible error, I'm accustomed to always "paint the inner walls of the three-sided room." With ball between wrists, index finger upward, I say "one and one" to the players opposite table, then to the shooter, then to the players tableside. By this time both partners and the table have seen what I'm administering, offering at least three redundant opportunities for me to peer check the number of free throws. Each partner and the table flash back the number of throws.
Redundant, but effective.

Jurassic Referee Tue Feb 22, 2011 07:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 732721)
For me:

--bounce the ball, signal 1-and-1, catch ball

For me:

--bounce the ball, signal 1-and-1, catch ball in the crack of my azz and then flip it to the FT shooter

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BillyMac Tue Feb 22, 2011 07:26am

Never Gets Old ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 732703)
Ball under shirt

Globetrotters' game?

Adam Tue Feb 22, 2011 08:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 732722)
Nope, it's live when caught by the shooter and remains live during the entire FT. Stop saying incorrect information.

and unnecessary

bob jenkins Tue Feb 22, 2011 08:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 732832)
and unnecessary

Agreed. "That Guy" says, "Bonus. 1 and 1. Play the miss. Let it hit."

Just administer the damn FT so we can get back to the game.

Anything beyond the number of throws is an unnecessary delay.

Adam Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:01am

Oh, in regards to the OP, I do the last one. Under the elbow, flash the signal as I say "one and one," bounce the ball and get out of the way.

Raymond Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelbRef (Post 732663)
What do you do with the ball when administering a 1-and-1?

What I've seen:
- hold ball in hands with index fingers extended
- same as above, ball between wrists
- bounce the ball, signal 1-and-1, catch ball
- hold ball under one arm/elbow, signal 1-and-1

What is "correct"?

You should really ask your interpreter and/or assignor how they want it done--or if they even care.

Scrapper1 Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:21am

I worked with a guy this year who did something I'd never seen before. He held the ball in one hand and then with the other hand, he pointed with one finger to one end of the free throw line and then the other end of the free throw line, while saying the "one-and-one". I thought it looked interesting, but it's nowhere near the "correct" mechanic.

Adam Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 732869)
I worked with a guy this year who did something I'd never seen before. He held the ball in one hand and then with the other hand, he pointed with one finger to one end of the free throw line and then the other end of the free throw line, while saying the "one-and-one". I thought it looked interesting, but it's nowhere near the "correct" mechanic.

Hmmm. May as well use the "hook 'em horns" or "hang ten" signals.

Raymond Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 732872)
Hmmm. May as well use the "hook 'em horns" or "hang ten" signals.

Which is what I do. But I rotate my hand back and forth a couple times when doing it.

chymechowder Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 732872)
Hmmm. May as well use the "hook 'em horns" or "hang ten" signals.

You mean the Ronnie James Dio signal.

http://gossip.whyfame.com/files/2010/05/ronnie_dio.jpg

Adam Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:45am

Who?

M&M Guy Tue Feb 22, 2011 01:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 732933)
Who?

No, he was never in that group; you're thinking of Roger Daltry.

26 Year Gap Tue Feb 22, 2011 01:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 732834)
Agreed. "That Guy" says, "Bonus. 1 and 1. Play the miss. Let it hit."

Just administer the damn FT so we can get back to the game.

Anything beyond the number of throws is an unnecessary delay.

+1

The one thing that would speed things up is to eliminate the congrats on the miss by teammates. But, since that won't happen, I say "1 AND 1" while holding the ball and showing index fingers at that time. No repeats. No commentary about lane entry. No telling my partner his shoe is untied. I just try to move it along as quickly as I can.

BillyMac Tue Feb 22, 2011 06:17pm

That Other Guy ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 732834)
"That Guy" says, "Let it hit."

At least "That Guy" has it right. Wrong, but right. I've had partners who say, "Let it hit the rim". Wrong, and wrong.


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