9-1-3c
 

'No opponent shall disconcert the free thrower.'
I had a fellow official that reissued a missed free throw because the Cheerleaders were cheering during a free throw. :eek:
I have Players on the court, Bench personel and Head Coaches that come closer to this violation then the cheerleaders.

Stretch Armstrong...
 

Seems to be stretching the rule a bit. Out of curiousity, any idea where the cheerleaders were standing?

Did your partner also rule disconcertion anytime the opposing fans tried distracting the free thrower shooter and he missed?

Had a partner once ask for the ball back and re-administer in a Freshman girls game because the boys team was walking along the endline to cross the court.

It is official...commonsense is dead and buried.

Gives you practice on how to back your partner during a tough situation.

Some areas have a rule on where cheerleaders are allowed to be. If this is such an area, and if the cheerleaders were, say, under A's basket (and that's not an allowed spot), then I can perhaps see the ruling.

Of course, I'd try to dela with that before the FT was administered,

Many times I've seen chearleaders on the endline to the side of their team's basket, so, no issues there.

I've had coaches and players disconcert; I've seen other players walk the endline; I've heard a band drummer hit his drum (ball went in, told him not to do that again); I had one this yr where the PA music "accidentally" went on SUPER LOUD in the middle of a FT - unfortunatey, it was home team shooting (disconcert themselves?).

My least favorite was when one of my P's called disconcertion on a H fan at the other end of the gym and awarded another FT for V. :confused:

Unless you're Tiger...
 

As long as they aren't profane, I say they can be as loud as they want. They're fans.

Per stripes: This isn't golf.

I see a typo. I thought Bob was infallible. :)

Since we're talking disconcertion...

Does it have to verbal?

It's a slang term referring to the hip hop group De La Soul, who influenced many other artists. When you "dela with" something (or someone), you try to influence them to do what you want without resorting to a rule-based punishment (in this example, ruling disconcertion).

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

The other option, of course, is that I'm not, and never claimed to be, infallible or anything close to it.

:shaking head "no":

[QUOTE=bob jenkins;731708]It's a slang term referring to the hip hop group De La Soul, who influenced many other artists. When you "dela with" something (or someone), you try to influence them to do what you want without resorting to a rule-based punishment (in this example, ruling disconcertion).

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Man, I have to roll my boots up another level. Great come back!

One can visually and verbally disconcert.

I think I saw something about that on PBS last week. ;)

Bob listens to hip hop???

And no one ever claimed Bob was infallible. Just that we should always listen to Bob. Even when he's wrong about something, he comes up with the best explanations for his answers!:p

verbal and nonverbal disconcertion...
 

So the "twinkling fingers" from opponents on the lane, or the "foot stomping" from the defender outside the arc (who is more than just tapping his shoe into place) Etc.... = Disconcertion so you warn and award another free-throw, if it continues whack-ola. ?

Does the rule say you should warn? And what do you mean by "whack-ola"?

Do you know what the penalty for disconcertion is?

I am guessing there is no warning.
9-1-5 disconcertion = Technical Foul.

Just thinking in a rec game, say, 8th grade boys, I could see going with awarding another free throw and warning them any further disconcertion would result in a T.

But if I am getting your point, there is nothing giving me the authority to warn rather than "whack". "Whack-ola" = T-foul.

The penalty for disconcertion is awarding another free throw if it is missed. It is ignored if the free throw is made. Could you issue a techincail foul for the specfic action? Sure, but there's no reason to go looking for a reason to whack.

If it's close to disconcertion, you can warn. If they disconcert, enforce.

That is my take on this issue too.

As with a lane violation (defense) if basket is good, we just move on. Jurassic had me thinking I may not have a leg to stand on by awarding another free-throw for disconcerting the shooter. Made it sound like I either had to T up or ignore. I honestly don't have a current NFHS book, nor do I officiate Association games (yet).

I have in fact awarded another free-throw for disconcertion, but have never T'd a player for it. Do my best to talk em out of trouble. If they get a T from me they usually had it coming 10mins ago.

The only way I'd give a T for disconcertion is if a player said something that in of itself would be unsportsmanlike, or if they kept repeating the violation one after another and thus was making a travesty of the game. This is similar to a team repeating free throw violations at the end of the game to ensure a made basket when the offense is trying to intentionally miss.

What JR was trying to say is if a player disconcerts, there is no warning and to call the violation (if applicable). Now if a player is close to disconcerting, or if the player makes the free throw, you can tell the play to knock it out.

You're a nice guy, APG. Maybe you can take some time and explain why it's legal to throw the ball off your own backboard too. :D

Haha! I'm not even sure why I've spent so long on that front.

The slogan is "Always listen to Bob." Pronounce "dela" with a long A, and you're all set.

Never Considered This Before ...
 

Does a disconcertion violation require a delayed violation signal?

The signal is for a delayed lane violation. I wouldn't classify disconcertion as a lane violation but rather a free throw violation. I sometimes still use it though out of habit on this type of play.

Interesting. I hadn't noticed that description before. I think (my opinion) it's an "error" and should be used for all delayed FT violations.

I could see that. NCAA-M and NCAA-W both have the signal as "delayed dead ball: withheld whistle."

Disconcertion Signal ???
 

Both the NFHS manual, and the IAABO manual, list the single closed fist signal as a "Delay Lane Violation" signal. That's why I asked my initial question. I didn't realize that it may have been an error at the time. Now I believe it may be an error.

I feel much better. All is well in the universe again.

Image ...
 

Thanks, Billy. This thread wasn't complete without the image.

It Will Only Take A Few Minutes ...
 

Do you want to go upstairs and see some of my etchings?

(Note: The image itself isn't important, it's the possibly incomplete caption.)

Just bustin your chops
 

Agree with the "caption" note, but even before you posted it everyone was clear about the issue under discussion.

We had a local official call disconcertion against a team's mascot during the 4th quarter of a close ball game this season. :(