Coach thinks he's home team - he's not

[Mark Padgett]

Last night - "competitive" G8 game. Game starts and about a minute in there's a held ball (gee, what's new?) and the arrow is to home because visitors got the opening tip. I indicate "white ball". I should mention that both my partner and I keep track of possession plus the table was keeping it up on the board (not that usual in this league). The visiting HC screams, "It's our ball, even the scoreboard says so!" I look up at it again and it still says "home". I have it for home and I ask my partner and he also has it for home. I tell the coach that both officials have the arrow for the white team and so does the scoreboard. He says, "But we're the home team, aren't we?" No one had scored yet so there was no score on the board.

I told him that no, he was the visitors which was indicated by two things: one - his team was wearing red uniforms while the other team had on white ones and two - his team was from the other part of the metro area while the other team was from the city we were in, as it said on their uniforms. Did he think his team played home games on the other side of town? I also informed him that his team got the first possession on the opening tip and this was the first held ball. He replied, "What difference does that make?"

I was pretty much able to ignore him the rest of the game. BTW - his team won by almost 20.

Whenever I get coaches like that, I maintain my sanity by remembering they're all volunteers and there wouldn't be any games without them stepping up. That being said, I wish they'd read a rulebook at least once in their lives.

[GoodwillRef]

Can't fix stupid.

[tref]

I had a funny AP situation the other night, Red taps the opening jump & white obtains the ball. Start of the 2nd Q as I point in reds direction, the "captain" of white comes over to inform me that I'm going the wrong way. He sarcastically said red clearly won the tip because their center is 6'8 & ours is 6'2".

I tell him its about who gets possession after the tap not who taps the ball.
It only took him an entire season to learn this

[jTheUmp]

Things like this are why I strongly prefer possession arrows that are on the table and point towards a basket, rather then ones on the scoreboard that point toward "home" and "guest". Less confusion for everybody, especially in multi-game tournament or rec league scenarios.

Heck, most of the time in rec league games, if the score is close I'll have to venture over to the table in the waning moments and ask who is ahead, because I have no idea which team is considered the "home" team for that particular game.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Things like this are why I strongly prefer possession arrows that are on the table and point towards a basket, rather then ones on the scoreboard that point toward "home" and "guest". Less confusion for everybody, especially in multi-game tournament or rec league scenarios.

Not only should you prefer it, it's required. (And, I make sure *something* at the table is used as an arrow -- a shoe, a water bottle, ...)

Heck, most of the time in rec league games, if the score is close I'll have to venture over to the table in the waning moments and ask who is ahead, because I have no idea which team is considered the "home" team for that particular game.

If the score is close, why do you care?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the score is close, why do you care?

So that you don't do something stupid, like make a call that would help send the game into OT.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

So that you don't do something stupid, like make a call that would help send the game into OT.

Bob you had to see that one coming!

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not only should you prefer it, it's required. (And, I make sure *something* at the table is used as an arrow -- a shoe, a water bottle, ...)

Rule 1-16:

A visible display shall be located at the scorer’s and timer’s table to indicate team possession for the alternating-possession procedure.

[SNIPERBBB]

"Coach, the only thing that counts on the scoreboard is the clock."

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not only should you prefer it, it's required. (And, I make sure *something* at the table is used as an arrow -- a shoe, a water bottle, a big belt buckle...)



If the score is close, why do you care?

You forgot one.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not only should you prefer it, it's required. (And, I make sure *something* at the table is used as an arrow -- a shoe, a water bottle, a young child...)

Actually, he forgot this one, too.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not only should you prefer it, it's required. (And, I make sure *something* at the table is used as an arrow -- a shoe, a water bottle, ...)

Cell phone, pen, pencil, belt buckle, ballcap, extra scorebook, clipboard, stuffed animal, a shop made arrow, a shop made AP lightbox, (For adult leagues only) a s*x toy, hairbrush, an old bowling pin, video game controller (wife's idea), mp3 player, walking cane, medication bottle, any woodwind, drumstick, ketchup/mustard bottle (wife's idea)....

[CHSLadyEagle]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Cell phone, pen, pencil, belt buckle, ballcap, extra scorebook, clipboard, stuffed animal, a shop made arrow, a shop made AP lightbox, (For adult leagues only) a s*x toy, hairbrush, an old bowling pin, video game controller (wife's idea), mp3 player, walking cane, medication bottle, any woodwind, drumstick, ketchup/mustard bottle (wife's idea)....

Hmmm....I've done the pencil one...use the pointy end as the arrow. Had to do this during summer league. My little Tortiseshell kitty that rarely moves would be a good possession arrow. She'd just watch the game & still not move. She snuck in the back of my truck once & went to a show w/ me, even w/ rain & snow, plus a 4 hr. drive I didn't know she was there. She stayed in the same spot the whole time.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the score is close, why do you care?

Mainly so I know which team will possibly be in "foul to stop the clock" mode.

As a bonus, for the youth rec league that I work, they have a mandated "no overtime" policy.
The adult league does have overtime, but it's a single 2-minute OT with a "next point wins" policy if still tied after the OT period.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

As a bonus, for the youth rec league that I work, they have a mandated "no overtime" policy.

Sounds like Mark Padgett's personal policy.