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Mark Padgett Thu Feb 17, 2011 02:27pm

Coach thinks he's home team - he's not
 
Last night - "competitive" G8 game. Game starts and about a minute in there's a held ball (gee, what's new?) and the arrow is to home because visitors got the opening tip. I indicate "white ball". I should mention that both my partner and I keep track of possession plus the table was keeping it up on the board (not that usual in this league). The visiting HC screams, "It's our ball, even the scoreboard says so!" I look up at it again and it still says "home". I have it for home and I ask my partner and he also has it for home. I tell the coach that both officials have the arrow for the white team and so does the scoreboard. He says, "But we're the home team, aren't we?" No one had scored yet so there was no score on the board.

I told him that no, he was the visitors which was indicated by two things: one - his team was wearing red uniforms while the other team had on white ones and two - his team was from the other part of the metro area while the other team was from the city we were in, as it said on their uniforms. Did he think his team played home games on the other side of town? I also informed him that his team got the first possession on the opening tip and this was the first held ball. He replied, "What difference does that make?"

I was pretty much able to ignore him the rest of the game. BTW - his team won by almost 20.

Whenever I get coaches like that, I maintain my sanity by remembering they're all volunteers and there wouldn't be any games without them stepping up. That being said, I wish they'd read a rulebook at least once in their lives.

GoodwillRef Thu Feb 17, 2011 02:40pm

Can't fix stupid.

tref Thu Feb 17, 2011 02:41pm

I had a funny AP situation the other night, Red taps the opening jump & white obtains the ball. Start of the 2nd Q as I point in reds direction, the "captain" of white comes over to inform me that I'm going the wrong way. He sarcastically said red clearly won the tip because their center is 6'8 & ours is 6'2".

I tell him its about who gets possession after the tap not who taps the ball.
It only took him an entire season to learn this :rolleyes:

jTheUmp Thu Feb 17, 2011 03:35pm

Things like this are why I strongly prefer possession arrows that are on the table and point towards a basket, rather then ones on the scoreboard that point toward "home" and "guest". Less confusion for everybody, especially in multi-game tournament or rec league scenarios.

Heck, most of the time in rec league games, if the score is close I'll have to venture over to the table in the waning moments and ask who is ahead, because I have no idea which team is considered the "home" team for that particular game.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 17, 2011 04:08pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 731341)
Things like this are why I strongly prefer possession arrows that are on the table and point towards a basket, rather then ones on the scoreboard that point toward "home" and "guest". Less confusion for everybody, especially in multi-game tournament or rec league scenarios.

Not only should you prefer it, it's required. (And, I make sure *something* at the table is used as an arrow -- a shoe, a water bottle, ...)

Quote:

Heck, most of the time in rec league games, if the score is close I'll have to venture over to the table in the waning moments and ask who is ahead, because I have no idea which team is considered the "home" team for that particular game.
If the score is close, why do you care?

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 17, 2011 04:13pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 731360)
If the score is close, why do you care?

So that you don't do something stupid, like make a call that would help send the game into OT. :eek:

tref Thu Feb 17, 2011 04:15pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 731365)
So that you don't do something stupid, like make a call that would help send the game into OT. :eek:

Bob you had to see that one coming! :D

chseagle Thu Feb 17, 2011 05:19pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 731360)
Not only should you prefer it, it's required. (And, I make sure *something* at the table is used as an arrow -- a shoe, a water bottle, ...)

Rule 1-16:

A visible display shall be located at the scorer’s and timer’s table to indicate team possession for the alternating-possession procedure.

SNIPERBBB Thu Feb 17, 2011 05:35pm

"Coach, the only thing that counts on the scoreboard is the clock."

BktBallRef Thu Feb 17, 2011 05:50pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 731314)
I tell him its about who gets possession after the tap not who taps the ball.

Don't feel bad, I had to explain the same thing to a partner last week. :(

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 17, 2011 06:11pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 731360)
Not only should you prefer it, it's required. (And, I make sure *something* at the table is used as an arrow -- a shoe, a water bottle, a big belt buckle...)



If the score is close, why do you care?

You forgot one.:D

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 17, 2011 06:28pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 731360)
Not only should you prefer it, it's required. (And, I make sure *something* at the table is used as an arrow -- a shoe, a water bottle, a young child...)

Actually, he forgot this one, too. :D

grunewar Thu Feb 17, 2011 06:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 731314)
I tell him its about who gets possession after the tap not who taps the ball. It only took him an entire season to learn this :rolleyes:

Unless he's 8 yrs old (or so) and it's his first yr playing, it's taken him a lot longer than that.......... :o

chseagle Thu Feb 17, 2011 07:51pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 731360)
Not only should you prefer it, it's required. (And, I make sure *something* at the table is used as an arrow -- a shoe, a water bottle, ...)

Cell phone, pen, pencil, belt buckle, ballcap, extra scorebook, clipboard, stuffed animal, a shop made arrow, a shop made AP lightbox, (For adult leagues only) a s*x toy, hairbrush, an old bowling pin, video game controller (wife's idea), mp3 player, walking cane, medication bottle, any woodwind, drumstick, ketchup/mustard bottle (wife's idea)....

CHSLadyEagle Thu Feb 17, 2011 07:57pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 731419)
Cell phone, pen, pencil, belt buckle, ballcap, extra scorebook, clipboard, stuffed animal, a shop made arrow, a shop made AP lightbox, (For adult leagues only) a s*x toy, hairbrush, an old bowling pin, video game controller (wife's idea), mp3 player, walking cane, medication bottle, any woodwind, drumstick, ketchup/mustard bottle (wife's idea)....

Hmmm....I've done the pencil one...use the pointy end as the arrow. Had to do this during summer league. My little Tortiseshell kitty that rarely moves would be a good possession arrow. She'd just watch the game & still not move. She snuck in the back of my truck once & went to a show w/ me, even w/ rain & snow, plus a 4 hr. drive I didn't know she was there. She stayed in the same spot the whole time.


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